Re: Constitutions (was: Look out! long hair gun loon!)

Randall R Randall (
Tue, 23 Dec 1997 00:17:37 -0500

On Mon, 22 Dec 1997 20:54:02 -0500 Wayne Hayes <>
> (Randall R Randall) writes:
>>Without the right to bear arms, the rest of the rights are temporary,
>>and can be withdrawn at any time.
>They are not temporary; they are *potentially* temporary.

Well, yes. :) I misspoke.

>>As long as the citizens of a country are
>>militarily more powerful than the government, that government cannot
>>step too far out of line.
>That would be a good point if it were actually true in the US, but it
>isn't. And besides, your Constitutional rights in the US are being
>eroded faster than you can keep track of them, despite your citizens
>being armed.

It's a good point anyway, even though it isn't true in most places. Only
a few citizens in the US are armed at anything like the level which would
be required. That's not so much a problem with how few guns the citizens
have, as with how many the government has. I would like to amend my
earlier statement to point out that I meant 'militarily' to include
*useful* military power. Strategic nukes don't really count, since they
can't use them against their own citizens.

>>If you are free only with another's permission, then you are not free
>>at all.

<snipped discussion of the queen's signing>

Well, actually I was referring to government in general...

Dream if you will, but remember there are iron laws.--Johnny Clegg.