Re: "Morality?" - Composite Reply

Gary Lloyd (
Wed, 8 Oct 1997 22:41:30 -0400 (EDT)

At 08:36 PM 10/8/97 -0400, Delmar England wrote:

>In literally every claim of "objective value" I have encountered apart from
>the formal religion variety which openly claims "God" as "objective value"
>cause, the claimant manages to bring in a personal value and pretend that it
>is objective discovery. Some, like Rand, go to great lengths to "prove" this
>discovery. The "ought from is" fantasy. Others just toss it in without so
>much as a by your leave. Once the personal value is enthroned, the focus
>shifts to means to achieve it. The problem is, those that insert their
>personal prefernce and call it objective make no distinction between ends
>and means, the former being a matter of subjective choice; the latter being
>a matter of objective criteria. Contrary to much popular language usage,
>ends and means are not the same. The former is ALWAYS subjective. The latter
>is ALWAYS objective.

Are instinctive ends subjective or objective?

When the boot of government is on your neck,
it doesn't matter if it's left or right.