Re: Cards and Permits

From: Randy Smith (
Date: Thu Oct 25 2001 - 09:08:50 MDT

Those who choose not to have The Citizenship Card could always...leave!

>From: "Technotranscendence" <>
>To: "Extropy" <>
>Subject: Cards and Permits
>Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 08:00:44 -0700
>I couldn't have said it [much] better myself.
>Daniel Ust
>From: Joe Duarte
>Sent: Tuesday, October 23, 2001 9:32 AM
>Subject: OWL: Cards and Permits
>Shawn asks whether National ID Cards, driver's licenses, etc. violate
>rights. When investigating corruption, we are told to follow the money.
>When investigating, or evaluating, a proposed government measure, we must
>follow the force.
>A compulsory national ID card would _require_ that a citizen (1) go to an
>office and take all the necessary administrative steps to have the card
>issued, and (2) carry the card about their person at all times. They would
>be required to do this of course because there would be a threat of force
>hanging over them if they did not comply. When a government demands an
>explicit, positive action from citizens, and provides for coercive
>punishment for those who are uncooperative, that government is initiating
>force. There is no other force present, or crime committed, in this
>scenario - only the government's. This applies equally to driver's
>a license to do business, or a concealed carry permit. The government has
>right to _permit_ anything, for all is permitted in a free society, all
>peaceful activity at least. In issuing a national ID card, the government
>basically issuing a permit to live - specifically, to live and conduct
>daily business with slightly less harassment than those who do not have
>a card. But it is the government, not a human being, that should require a
>Joe Duarte
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