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>Hal Finney wrote:
>< Similarly, a nanotech power which is so paranoid and aggressive as
>to take the step of eradicating everyone else on the planet may find
>it difficult to survive on its own terms. [SNIP] The result would be a
>nightmare Borgism, a nearly mindless plague whose only goal was
>conquest, spreading throughout the universe. This would all flow from
>that first step of destruction. >
>
>Echoing Forrest, thanks Hal. That was the most focused argument I=92ve
>seen yet against some elements of the Hedonistic Imperative that I=92ve
>always found very disconcerting.
>
>(The concerns I=92m talking about were also briefly mentioned in
>http://www.lucifer.com/exi-lists/extropians.96/3984.html )
>
>But then Forrest Bishop wrote:
>< I think an SI would at least have the brainpower to know that it
>cannot know the consequences of its information destruction. (The
>notion that it could reconstruct that information is garbage, IMO.) >
>
>And Hal replied=20
>< I seem to recall a proposal by Drexler for a "brute force" route to
>AI via simulation. [SNIP] If this is really possible (I'm not sure the
>numbers work) then it suggests to me that the loss of information
>caused by the destruction of some portion of the human race is
>insignificant compared to the amount which will be created and
>manipulated routinely by a nanotech culture.>
>
>If the time from now to =91The Eschaton=92 is longer than the time since
>the beginning of the universe, or if the universe continues
>indefinitely, then, sure, the loss of past =91information=92 will seem
>"insignificant compared to" the future =91information=92 to be created.=20
>But, as you also point out, look how much could flow from "that first
>step of destruction". Life could probably recover but I can only echo
>Forrest in thinking that it could never be the same. Brute-force
>resurrection only seems possible within an Omega-Point situation of
>infinite computational resources, if then.=20
>
>Hal also asks:
>< Well, that's my question. When would it [past knowledge] be useful?
> How would it be useful? Give me some ideas of what you're thinking
>of, here. My conception is that the Power is so, well, Powerful that
>I can't see how the historical knowledge would matter. But most other
>people seem to disagree, so I'd appreciate some examples.>
>
>To me it's debatable just how much 'power' these future Powers can
>have. But aside from that, it's not so much going back and
>reaccessing past information, it's what would be lost in the future in
>terms of diversity if certain elements of the past or present are
>*expunged* from continuing into the future. (Not a very good
>'example', hopefully someone else will be more clever - which is why I
>hope for a diverse future and not some monistic Power calling all the
>shots :-)
>
>Mark Crosby
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