Re: Separation of Homo cyber...

Anders Sandberg (
Fri, 1 Aug 1997 18:48:35 +0200 (MET DST)

On Thu, 31 Jul 1997, Prof. Jose Gomes Filho wrote:

> I would really propose a serious discussion about the possibility
> of our assuming right away a democratic separation of the Homo
> cyber ( or any other denomination that the group would agree..)
> from the Homo sapiens.

Yes, I have often been thinking about seceeding from homo sapiens and
starting my new species. Unfortunately, for the moment that would be
mainly a gesture and a rather ineffectual one for that matter. Of
course, if a lot of transhumanists together began to talk about
seceeding, things might be different.

One problem is that the majority would not like these ideas one bit.

> Most of us are here scientists and could try to prepair a
> "communitary" paper to be published on some of the science
> journals, where we would define the characterics of the new human
> species.

One cannot define a species into existence; it has to evolve. A paper
describing homo cyber would either be a post fact description, or an
attempt to prescribe a certain path. What about the transhumanists
who, for whatever reason, decide to evolve in another direction? I
don't think the future belongs to one species, I believe it belongs
to a whole taxum.

> When a new species feels the real necessity to take a
> better way of Evolution.

Feels the necessty? Aren't you a bit too teleological here?

> Besides that, it is * very stressing* and even dangerous
> trying to convince the Homo sapiens, in particular the "teological"
> variety, to really evolute ( some of then have even created a
> heaven...and "perfectly" created by a "perfect being, so, what
> more could they wish???) . Who would wish to join us, would be
> welcome, who not, just DO NOT PERTURB!!!

I agree with you on this; there is no point forcing our values onto
others just as we don't want values forced upon us. That is why a
separation may be a good thing, but usually separations also lead to
conflicts (when you encounter the Xs daily, it is harder to become
prejudiced against them than if you rarely meet them).

Anders Sandberg Towards Ascension!
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