Re: [GUNS] Re: Better people

Michael S. Lorrey (
Thu, 10 Jun 1999 09:14:05 -0400

dwayne wrote:

> "Michael S. Lorrey" wrote:
> >
> > dwayne wrote:
> > >
> > > My neighbours don't have guns. No one I know has a gun. I live in a
> > > country where guns are banned. I like it here. I think anyone who wants
> > > to live in a country where everyone has guns is mad.
> >
> > So said the sheep to the mountain goat. You do know policemen? Military personnel?
> > Your government representatives? They all have guns, and are in a position to tell
> > you how you can live your life. You have no guns, and therefore cannot resist what
> > they tell you. There is one word to describe such a society: fascism.
> Jesus what a load of something I'm not allowed to mention.
> So tell me, Mr Superman Lorrey with your World Famous LorreyDrive: how
> the hell do YOU with your Big! Manly! Testosterone-Oozing! Guns! plan to
> keep the government at bay? Do you brazenly watch kiddie snuff porn and
> ingest drugs while listening to Hakim Bey read the communist manifesto,
> proud and secure in your knowledge that you can keep these dastardly
> forces of oppression from the door?
> This is so much complete toss. you maniacs rant and rave about freedom!
> and liberty! and strength! and yet you are under the thumb of the
> country which imprisons more of it's own than everyone else aside from
> Russia, and you are scheduled to pass that figure in October.

Apparently only you and the "calm, reasonable, and rational" Mr. Dees are the only ones who have descended to ranting and raving here.

> So I ask you again: how have *your* guns prevented government
> oppression? How *will* your guns prevent government oppression. do you
> really think you have enough firepower to hold off a military force?
> Sure the swiss own guns, but they have military weapons: you guys don't.

Of course we do. The "assault weapons" ban was pure fluff, and it did not outlaw any guns that were not already in private ownership. It just takes a little longer to get fully automatic stuff, but it can be gotten by any law abiding citizen, along with mortars and other fun stuff. I have a group of freinds who hold what they call "AK days" on occasion.

> > > No one needs to have weapons to kill people at a distance. The only
> > > reason to have them is to protect yourself from people who have them.
> > > Argh, shit, I'm being sucked into this stupid argument again!
> >
> > Its a matter of you refusing to acknowledge your own blind spots. Who protects you
> > from the government?
> The laws, the army and the police. What on earth makes you think that
> we could hold off the govt? Do you think you and your gun-totin' mates
> can hold of yours?

We do.

> > From the criminals who do not obey your laws against gun
> > ownership?
> Um, what makes you think that criminals would defend the people against
> the govt? Or are you engaging in yet more sophistry?

Your reading comprehension is dropping again.

> If it comes down to having to build weapons to defend myself from the
> govt, I can assure you I will build something a hell of a lot more
> powerful than a rifle, because I'm aware of something you seem to be
> ignorant of: rifles won't stop tanks and fighter aircraft. Until then I
> will quite happily live in my safe, peaceful, disarmed community.

Tell that to the Vietnamese. Small arms brought down quite a number of jet aircraft in that war. As for tanks, they are nothing a little fertilizer and oil cannot stop.


Michael S. Lorrey
Owner, Lorrey Systems
Director, Grafton County Fish & Game Assoc.
Member, Extropy Institute
Member, National Rifle Association
"Live Free or Die, Death is not the Worst of Evils."
                  - General John Stark