Date sent: Wed, 09 Jun 1999 07:46:56 -0500 To: extropians@extropy.com From: Chuck Kuecker <ckuecker@mcs.net> Subject: Re: [GUNS] Re: Better people Send reply to: extropians@extropy.com
> At 12:54 PM 6/9/99 +0200, den Otter wrote:
> >
> >Tough restrictions on guns is one thing, but the real problem is IMO
> >the general anti-personal empowerment attitude which is the driving
> >force behind gun bans. The same people who deny citizens the
> >right to defend themselves with lethal force, are also very likely to
> >deny them other rights too (like the right to carry non-lethal weapons
> >like mace or stun guns, or even worse, the very right to defend
> >yourself at all when attacked by a criminal -- this is already quite
> >common where I live). They tend to see civilians as incompetent
> >fools who should be treated like little children, which means that
> >politicians will have (even) less respect for the public's opinion.
> >Is it a cooncidence that the Swiss, who own guns freely, also
> >have a general referendum (a real one, where the people's
> >decision counts), which is about as democratic as one can
> >get, while here in Holland for example most politicians are
> >openly repulsed by the very idea of a referendum (and the
> >sheeple agree, unbelievable!).
> >
I support a popular vote on my proposed regulations; polls show
that they would pass handily.
>
> At the local high school here, any student caught invloved in a fight is
> suspended, even if they are defending themselves. The official line is that
> they are furthering the violence by fighting back. The proper response, I
> guess, is to lay down with throat exposed and hope the attacker goes away,
> or that a teacher will see and stop the fight.
>
> Big brother is still out there waiting for us to let him take over our
> lives. All we need do is stop fighting stupid laws that take away our
> powers to defend ourselves and think for ourselves.
>
And instead pass logical, reasonable and rational laws which allow
nonagressive sane adults to possess the means with which to
defend themselves while removing long-range deadly force from the
fists of those most likely to attack others.