Re: Property Rights

mark@unicorn.com
Wed, 12 May 1999 05:20:38 -0700 (PDT)

david_musick@juno.com wrote:
>Why so much hostility, Mark?

Because it would be nice to have a life where I didn't have to spend half my time working to pay for the policies put in place by well-meaning idiots and envious assholes and to be able to live in peace without the hostility created by those policies. Unfortunately I can't, because more and more of you always crawl out of the woodwork no matter how many times your ideas are shown to lead to nothing but a war of all against all. "War is Peace", right?

> I simply made the observation that people's
>hostility towards each other is responsible for most of the world's
>problems. Why do you interpret this as though I am saying you are bad
>and childish?

You wrote:
>Just as you can't peacefully take something from a child when the child
>thinks they own the object, you can't "eliminate property rights" when
>people still believe in the fiction.

You wrote:
>They wouldn't need the psychological crutch of "property
>rights" to maintain a civil, productive society.

You wrote:
>Mark, I don't
>think you realize how easily others can lead you around by your desires
>(like dangling a carrot in front of a donkey). You are actually quite
>helpless to resist those who offer you what you want.

Now maybe it's just that I'm not schizophrenic, but your four comments here are clearly contradictory. According to you, if I believe in property rights, I'm like a child who needs a psychological crutch and has no control whatsoever of my life. Gosh, how respectful of you. Thanks a bunch.

>And why do you imagine that I have any desire to force you
>to do what I want?

Uh, because you can't eliminate property rights without forcing me to do so as well? Because you can't have a society where everyone gets everything for free without forcing us to work for you? Because communism and socialism are totally impossible on a large scale without coercion?

>I simply
>realize now that my hostility is responsible for most of my problems, and
>I am working to move beyond that.

Indeed. And if you throw out your silly utopian dreams you'll do a lot better at it.

>It is in my best interest to help
>you escape the dangerous trap of your own hostility.

"You're inferior, I'm superior, I know everything, I must help you to enlightenment"

Yet you said:
>Another reason is that people waste their time reinforcing
>dominance relationships.

Pot meet Kettle. Kettle meet Pot. You seem to be projecting all your faults out into the world and pretending they're ours, rather than dealing with them yourself.

Mark