Re: How To Live In A Simulation

From: Dave Sill (
Date: Wed Mar 21 2001 - 19:41:22 MST

Lee Corbin <> wrote:
> Dave Sill wrote, criticizing Eliezer Y.'s statement
> >> Every conscious being is a citizen.
> and asks
> > Including cats and dogs? People with IQ < 25?
> In my opinion, this incidiary question will confuse
> a lot of people, and understandably so. We must be
> very clear that what you are suggesting, I hope, is
> something not in the context of a pre-existing
> arrangement that (a) supports rights of citizens
> regardless of their IQs (b) culturally defines
> "respect" and "loyalty" so that it is odious to
> defect against other members of your society.

I can't quite follow what you're saying, but I can clarify my question. Say
I'm slopping together some biochemicals and produce something the
intellectual equivalent of a fish. Or I write an AI in perl that's not quite
up to normal human intelligence--ok, it's an idiot--but it's self aware. At
what point on the continuum do we declare such a man made being a "citizen"?

> > Citizen of what? Sim City? And what rights
> > does that confer? By what authority?
> Exactly the right question! My answer: a pre-existing
> social arrangement, like the one all the people reading
> this list habitually find themselves immersed in.

I still don't follow you, Lee. In what pre-existing social arrangement are
these example beings I've created? Spell it out for me: I'm simpleminded.
What are their rights, in your opinion?


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