Re: Is rational patriotism anti-extropian? I don't think so...

From: Michael S. Lorrey (
Date: Sat Apr 15 2000 - 18:31:30 MDT

Octavio Rojas Diaz wrote:
> >
> >
> >Of course, for those who feel this is far too compromising, there will in
> >the future the option to go to the oceans or also outer space to found the
> >type of communities that radical libertarians and extropians dream of. I
> >wish you all luck and in time may join you, but for now please understand
> >if I feel pride and a touch of emotion when I see the American flag waving
> >in the wind.
> John, I think it's ok to be patriotic, obviously the secret is moderation,
> I'm also proud of my country, customs and culture, and I think patriotism
> is basic in my nation so we can get rid of corrupt, murderous and
> power-hungry governments. that describes exactly how our goverment is, in
> my case being a patriotic mexican, I want democracy, civil liberties and a
> legal system that gives us better human rights, so I actually think that
> moderate patriotism isn't that bad, although I'd still love to see our
> entire continent united like a single nation, respecting the cultural
> differences and customs of each country, although we are still far from
> that, however I predict that if we get rid of the pri, and our economy
> becomes as competitive as it should be our level of cooperation with our
> nothern and southern neighboors won't have precedents.
> There have been already talks about entering to a second phase in the nafta
> that allows free migration of workers and profesionals among our countries,
> I think something like that would be great not just for mexico, but to the
> states and canada as well

Excellent post Octavio. If more people like yourself stood up for good
government and an open economy, I don't think it will be long until
Mexico is on a political and economic par with the US and Canada.

Its rather entertaining to see the liberals up here squirm at the
thought of opening up the border with Mexico and treating your country
as an equal economic partner. The unions scream about NAFTA, yet they
have done nothing to try to expand their unionizing south of the border.
If they really cared about labor standards and employment practices
they'd be down there backing demonstrations and reforms left and right.
If the ecological groups were really interested in the enviornment down
there, they'd be funding Mexican environmental groups and buying media
time there to raise awareness. Its rather interesting to see these
groups who claim to be progressive actually making excuses why things
can't be done rather than how they should be done....

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