Re: GUNS: Accidental Deaths

Harvey Newstrom (
Thu, 4 Mar 1999 14:47:00 -0500

<> wrote:
> Because you originally started this discussion claiming that 'toddlers'
> regularly shot each other. Toddlers are under age five, unless something
> has changed dramatically with US parenting recently.

You ignored my point about you missing the beginning of this thread. I did not start it or make the original claim. Mike Lorrey made the original claim and I am responding to him.

> >That's 236 kids,
> >not the 34 you are quoting.
> Only if you keep changing your definition of 'kids'. Mike was responding
> to the 'toddler' post, not a post about people under fifteen.

You ignored the point that Mike is claiming 31 kids in the past 35 years. The stats showing 34 kids per year add up to 1190 kids in the past 35 years. These stats still do not support Mike's numbers.

> BTW, he also made a good point about suicides being regularly listed as
> accidental deaths; this is also a reason for these studies showing that
> cops are regularly killed with their own guns... a very large fraction of
> cop deaths are suicides... for which they use their own guns.

You ignored the point that my stats come from *pro-gun* sources. I do not think that they are cooking the statistics to make guns look bad.

Harvey Newstrom <>
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