Some thing does not come from no thing.
If there is nothing to cause it, it does not happen.
It could not have a point of origen.
A cause causes an effect.
some one else wrote:
>I agree that the self-referencing will ultimately be important, but I am not
>using it
Is I a self-reference?
at this time because I feel that no ontological basis has yet been
>defined for the concept of self-referencing.
My brain hurts from trying to define my self boundry.
So I'm the universe, whoopty-doo.
I think I'll pretend I do not exist and try to take a nap.