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QueeneMUSE writes,

> The venus post is interesting because it measures women's sexuality
> against men's math abilities.

Well, I wasn't thinking in terms of "measuring against"...

> My answer would be, you perceive a kind of power she holds,
> which is at least as influential as math, or any of the traditional
> male domains.

Almost true. Venus (maybe we should say Frigga, in view of J's nordic
background) has as much power as Hermes, Vulcan (her husband), etc.
She yields to Jove, however, and how she stacks up against YHWH is
another matter entirely.

> If she did math well, she would still have that power...

She already did math well, on an elementary level. But that's not
what it means to be a mathematician. What if she were as obsessed
with math as you are with art? She would have to reorganize her mind
at a very fundamental level, and it would change her feminine psyche
into something else.

You have seen the Newtonian side of my personality come out a few
times. You're right, I can be abusive. You don't know the half of it...
Can you imagine a woman with a Newtonian personality? She might
be beautiful, in a way, but she would be Ilsa, She-Wolf of the SS.
She might have power, but not the same power Jennifer had.

To be a mathematician, you have to form the habit of cutting through
the bullshit and getting to the point. I use the word "cut" advisedly.
It's a masculine idea. Cut. You do it with a sword. Even the gentlest
mathematician (most of them are much nicer than Newton) always has
that sword, and at any moment his eyes may flash and cut right through
you. Jennifer could have learned to do that, but she couldn't do that
and still be the magical creature that she was. Lady MacBeth is not

David Viscott wrote a book about his experience as a medical student.
I gave the book away years ago, and can't even remember the title, but
I remember an incident that illustrates what I'm trying to say: He went

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