RE: Meme Replications ERP and Time Travel (Memetics list Cross-Post)

From: Joe Dees (
Date: Fri Feb 01 2002 - 21:21:28 MST

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> John Croft <> Meme Replications ERP and Time Travel
>Hi Folks
>Replication is the first principle of producing a
>meme. The principle here is one which would allow a
>copy to breed, and to have selection of the result in
>such a way that "successful" copies can reproduce at a
>rate different (faster, more numerous, more
>faithfully) than "unsuccessful" copies.
>Teleportation is an interesting case. The "beam me up
>Scottie" devices would seem to operate on a similar
>principle. For instance, a body is scanned, the
>information is "beamed", and reassembled at its
>location. Such a device has been called a "murdering
>twin-maker" - and it is assumed that the original copy
>is disassembled in the scanning process, with an
>identical copy being made elsewhere.
>For a long time it has been assumed that such a
>replicator was impossible due to the Heisenberg
>Uncertainty Principle. To make an accurate copy would
>be a requirement to know both position and momentum of
>a particle at once, a violation of one of the most
>fundamental laws of Quantum Physics. But now a way
>has been found around the problem.
>In the 1930's Einstein proposed with Rosen and
>Polsudsky the ERP Theorem which seemed to violate the
>uncertainty principle. It proposed two interacting
>particles which separate. Once separate, measuring
>the momentum of one and the position of the other,
>should enable momentum AND position of BOTH to be
>inferred (hereby violating the Uncertainty Principle).
>Bell's theorem in the 1960s and Alain Aspect's
>experiment in the 1980s of the ERP Paradox, showed
>that the Hiesenberg Principle was maintained. This
>seems to suggest that when the position of particle A
>is measured, it communicates instantaneously ("faster
>than light"!) with particle B informing it that its
>momentum cannot be measured.
>Scientists at Bell Labs have found out a way to use
>this effect to create a teleportation process. Thus
>two interacting particles A and B separate, Particle
>A meets a third particle (C) which is to be copied and
>translocated. It is scanned and information on its
>position is beamed using the FTL (faster than light)
>ERP effect to the other particle. If position is
>beamed the ERP would carry the remaining (uncertainty)
>information to position D (a point on the trajectory
>of particle B. At point D particle A (the one to be
>trasported) is reassembled. Ergo - translocation and
>a new replicator is born.
>This new replicator is effect has now been confirmed.
>While translating large objects (eg Captain Kirk) has
>not occurred (the technology currently only transports
>atomic and sub-atomic particles at the moment), there
>is nothing in the approach that would make such a
>transportation system impossible (just the difficulty
>of scaling it up to large sizes).
>Not only does this discovery make the building of
>Quantum Computers a lot more closer, it also makes
>possible the reality of time travel (i.e. because the
>transport of information is FLT, in fact the ERP
>effect can send the information backwards in time,
>before the "disassembly" occurred. It brings Time
>Travel a whole lot closer - and I do not need to raise
>the point what can of worms that can open up. We
>could by this means send memes backwards in time to a
>time before they existed!
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