Re: The Intergrated Military (was Re: Transgender Marriage)

From: Mike Lorrey (
Date: Thu Jan 17 2002 - 16:53:49 MST

Lee Daniel Crocker wrote:
> >> Yup, read it twice. However, it's been quite a while since my last
> >> reading, before the movie came out. My recollection (admittedly
> >> flawed on occasion) is the book didn't deal with sexual integration
> >> at all. No shower scenes that I can remember. Maybe I'm wrong, but
> >> I think the fully integrated showers was a Paul Verhoeven creation.
> > I'm pretty sure the integrated shower scene was inspired by Joe Haldeman's
> > "The Forever War", not "Starship Troopers", the book.
> Almost nothing in the ST movie was inspired by the Heinlein book
> except the title, the character names, and a few points of the plot.
> Besides that, it was a complete hatchet job that Heinlein would
> never had approved of if he had been alive. This should not be
> too surprizing, since its director (Paul Verhoeven) has repeatedly
> shown himself to be the very archetype of a hollywood "player"
> totally without scruples. I'm sure he promised Heinlein's heirs
> that he would be true to Heinlein's story while he was advising
> his lawyers to make sure the contract would protect him from suit
> when he didn't.

>From the over the top propagandistic presentation of the movie, it seems
to me that Verhoeven is one of those in the "Heinlein was a fascist"
camp, though he claims that he was trying to capture the spirit of the
Battle of Britain and the newsreel footage typical of the WWII period

The sexual integration seems more reminiscent of Piers Anthony's "Space
Tyrant" series, though Haldeman does come to mind as well.

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