Re: Transgender marriage

From: Brian D Williams (
Date: Wed Jan 16 2002 - 11:37:09 MST

>From: "Harvey Newstrom" <>

>Just to set the record straight: Gays do not want domestic
>partners laws. These were invented as a diversion to keep gays
>from getting regular marriages. In Vermont, for example, gays
>really don't get the same kind of marriage. The laws are
>separate, the terms are different, the forms are different, the
>procedures for dissolving it are different. Contrary to confusing
>claims, gays cannot get married anywhere in the U.S. The
>misleading claim that gays can marry in Vermont just makes it
>harder for them to push for equal marriage rights in that state.

The majority of heterosexuals are not currently prepared to extend
the idea of marriage to include same sex marriages.

They site historical as well as religious precedent.

>Similarly, gays never wanted "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" policies in
>the military. This was invented by conservatives. It is
>effectively a gag order on gays that says if anyone finds out
>you're gay you will be kicked out. This is worse than the
>previous situation where they had to prove illegal sexual conduct
>in a military court-martial. Now, a person who "thinks they are
>gay" without ever acting on it can be kicked out, and is presumed
>guilty unless they challenge in court and prove they are not gay.
>This is worse than what the situation was before. Although it has
>been portrayed in the conservative media as an example of gay
>rights, it actually was fought by gays and is considered by gays
>to be a reduction in rights.

The obvious solution as portrayed in the movie "Starship Troopers"
is to put everyone in together, no segration based on gender, race,
or sexual orientation.

Something I doubt the military or American society is ready for.


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