Re: MEMES: Pigeon-holing your opponent

From: BigBooster (fm1@amug.org)
Date: Wed Jan 24 2001 - 23:39:44 MST


At 11:22 PM 01/24/2001 -0500, Harvey Newstrom <mail@HarveyNewstrom.com> wrote:
>Samantha Atkins <samantha@objectent.com> wrote,
>>I am very curious why the opinions of myself and Eugene and others are
>>considered "seething hate".
>
>You have just been bitten by the us-versus-them meme. For some reason,
>most debates are assumed to have only two opposing sides. Guns are a great
>example. Microsoft is another. If you point out any tiny complaint about
>one side, you will suddenly find yourself pigeon-holed as a proponent for
>the other side. You will be attacked for all sorts of assumed viewpoints
>expressed by "your" side. This has happened to me so many times on this
>list that I sometimes question the usefulness of remote communications. <snip>

Here's an example from another list:

> > At 04:33 PM 01/24/2001 -0600, "N. Stephan Kinsella"
><nskinsella@ao-inc.com>
> > wrote:
> > >A friend of mine, who is a quasi-libertarian but not extremely well-read
> > >in anarcho-capitalist theory, is researching these matters for a novel he
> > >is writing, with an anarcho-capitalist background.
> > >
> > >He asked me to recommend to him a few essential non-fiction and fiction
> > >works--say, the top 3 of each.
> > >
> > >Any suggestions? <snip>

From: "BigBooster" <f-prime@buildfreedom.com>
To: "LibProfs" <libprofs-L@genius.ucsd.edu>
Subject: Re: ANARCHO-CAPITALIST REFERENCES

> Your friend may want to check out Chapter 8 of Restoring The
> American Dream by Robert Ringer; Harper & Row; 1979:
> "Keeping It All in Place."
>
> This chapter covers some basic "factors" that keep coercive
> political systems in place. For more on this theme, see:
>
> #TL05T: Thomas Szasz and Slavespeak
> <http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl05t.htm> <snip>

>From: Stephan Kinsella-home <kinsella@swbell.net>
>Subject: Re: ANARCHO-CAPITALIST REFERENCES
>To: LibProfs <libprofs-L@genius.ucsd.edu>
>
>Wasn't Ringer basically a Randian-influenced version of Zig Ziglar/Steven
>Covey/Tony Robbins, one of those Dale Carnegie back-slapping "close the
>deal" "think positive and be successful" types? With the cutesy little
>analogies about tortoises and hares etc.? These motivational speech things
>you can sell for $10k a pop to bloated corporations whose managers actually
>have a day to waste on this fluff, all the buzzwords etc.?
>
>BTW, for a funny thing, see the Dilbert "Mission Statement Generator," it's
>hilarious.
>http://www.dilbert.com/comics/dilbert/career/bin/ms2.cgi
<snip>

Frederick Mann



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