Re: more on Brand and the Singularity idea

From: Dale Johnstone (
Date: Tue Jan 16 2001 - 09:17:57 MST

From: "Jim Fehlinger" <>

> Also, effects that some folks on this list can contemplate with
> equanimity
> are events that would horrify many people outside of extreme
> sci-fi/technophilic
> circles. For example, Eliezer Yudkowsky has said on many occasions
> that,
> as long as the human race survives long enough to give birth to some
> sort
> of superintelligence, the ultimate fate of humanity is of no consequence
> (to him or, presumably, in the ultimate scheme of things). I suspect
> that this
> attitude is part of what gives folks like Bill Joy the willies.

Please be more careful when quoting people. I'm sure the context of the word
'humanity' indicated 'human-ness'. I really don't think Eliezer means he
doesn't care about the people living now, far from it.

Personally, I'd rather have a better substrate, and one which I can
customize too. This ridiculous bag of mostly-water I pilot is a real drag. I
won't even mention the twisted cognitive machinery I was given. This primate
model is due for a complete redesign. Humanity ha! you can keep it!

On the point of it scaring the willies out of people, I think it's already a
lost cause to try & get everyone up to speed. The fact is; the world is
changing faster than society. This will only become more pronounced as the
curve steepens. At some point there will be a destabilization of the old
ways. <sigh> That's gonna takes some fancy footwork or we're all screwed. I
have zero faith in 'humanity' to figure it out alone without bloodshed. Just
read the news.

Dale Johnstone.

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