Re: Considering standard of living (was Re: Land of let's only talk about whats wrong with the US)

From: Matt Welland (matt@essentialgoods.com)
Date: Sun Aug 24 2003 - 10:32:53 MDT

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    Intellectual property is a related and interesting aside, but...

    Isn't it one of the Seven Habits to seek first to understand...

    On Sunday 24 August 2003 12:09 am, Robert J. Bradbury wrote:
    > On Sat, 23 Aug 2003, Matt Welland wrote:
    > > This thread strikes an interesting cord for me. In my opinion one of the
    > > unaddressed (and unintended) consequences of unbridled capitalism(*) is
    > > that over time natural resources, i.e. land, slowly ends up in the hands
    > > of a few. Carried to its inevitable consequence all the land is owned by
    > > a few very rich people who literally can deny life to the remaining
    > > population. For an in-depth exploration of one way to solve this pop over
    > > to www.henrygeorge.org and do some reading.
    >
    > I'm not so sure. Dole doesn't buy land in Nebraska because one generally
    > cannot grow pinapples there. The land they own in Hawaii may be enough
    > simply due to constraints on how many pinapples one can market. Refer back
    > to the conversation with comments by Damien and others regarding tariffs on
    > agricultural products. Even if you owned the land in a lower cost
    > producing "state" one might not be able to sell the products (so it makes
    > no sense to own the land). If this argument held together people would be
    > snapping up land in northern Canada and Russia and using genetic
    > engineering to produce crops that would grow there. Or one would see
    > massive efforts to build desalination plants and pipelines to supply the
    > U.S. southweast with fresh water. And of course there is North Africa and
    > the Mid-east. Yet one doesn't see efforts of that nature.
    >
    > Instead one sees a greater concentration of "wealth" in the hands of those
    > who own the "Intellectual Property" and "human resources", e.g. IBM, Intel,
    > etc. But one only owns the IP for 20 years and the human resources are
    > generally free to move about.
    >
    > The "land" is ultimately important if we get into a massive population
    > growth situation (say a world population of 20-100 billion). But there
    > are solutions to this -- from more efficient agricultural methods (see
    > Mark Walker's recent post) to solar power satellites.
    >
    > It is relatively accepted by economic theorists that as "natural resources"
    > are exhausted that substitutions occur. I have not looked at the web site,
    > but if it does not examine (in detail) substitution phenomena, then it
    > doesn't have a grasp of the "big picture".
    >
    > Robert

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