Re: free speech on the extrope list

From: Jeff Davis (jrd1415@yahoo.com)
Date: Sat Jul 26 2003 - 01:32:03 MDT

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    Brett Patsch wrote:

    > There are some very important and worthwhile issues
    behind the screens of political correctness and even
    intelligent people need to be able to make a mistake
    occasionally if those issues are to be explored and
    solutions illuminated.

    ...

    > I think a line is crossed when people can't tell the
    difference between an abstract discussion and concrete
    actions. I thought Robert was trying to have an
    abstract discussion on an important issue.
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    Discussing taboo or politically incorrect subjects is
    difficult. Sometimes it's hard to be dispassionate,
    particularly if someone is perceived (or misperceived)
    as actually advocating something over-the-top
    offensive.

    If one wants to discuss a topic which is 'difficult',
    then precautions need to be taken to avoid having the
    whole thing blow up in your face.

    Personally, I think taking on a taboo subject is a
    worthwhile challenge. Exciting even. The taboo
    subject is by its nature not much explored, so there's
    novelty and low hanging fruit. And there are
    discoveries to be made about the nature of taboo,
    which I think you will find is more about people than
    about whatever 'other' topic. It's like bunji
    jumping, or the firewalking thing of a few years back.
     It not mind over matter, or some shamanic magic, but
    rather will over mind, or will over reptilian mind.
    And when you go there you're in for a steep learning
    curve, and some exhilaration.

    Anyway, a discussion list is exactly the place for
    sensitive topics. If that's your intent, you might
    warn your fellows to buckle up for a possibly bumpy
    ride. Or, if you see that you've caught someone by
    surprise, you can take a moment to help them regain
    their composure by reminding them that "No need to get
    upset. We're just TALKING here." At the same time, if
    you're a listener who gets surprised by something
    emotionally jarring, well, you can take that deep
    breath all on your own, and remind yourself of the
    difference between discussion, and "sticks and
    stones".

    Finally, these problems are obviated, as well as the
    possibility that some random visitor might get the
    wrong impression about ExI, if you just have a "place
    out back" for "special" topics. Then, if you go
    there, you know ahead of time to steel yourself.

    Best, Jeff Davis

       "Everything's hard till you know how to do it."
                               Ray Charles

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