Re: Precisions on the Martinot situation

From: Giu1i0 Pri5c0 (gpmap@runbox.com)
Date: Thu Jul 24 2003 - 09:39:56 MDT

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    I think, we must absolutely win this case to protect the future of European
    cryonicists, and it is not going to be easy.
    The influence of religious fundamentalist thinking are much stronger in the
    US than in Europe. So the most frequent objections to cryonics in the US are
    of the type "it is against God's will". Now since this is a stupid objection
    that goes clearly against rational thinking, I believe it is going to be
    reasonably easy to defeat or ignore. Also, as more and more people see the
    engineering feasibility of cryonics, they will think much less of God's will
    than of their own survival. I am optimist that cryonics is going to win in
    the US cultural environment.
    In Europe, we care much less about God. I am very happy that in the EU
    constitution under elaboration the word "God" is absent, despite pressures
    from the Vatican, and I hope it will stay out in the final version. So,
    whether something is or is not against "God's will" is much less of an issue
    over here. Unfortunately (for what concerns cryonics) Europeans are more
    sensitive than Americans to social issues. So we will see objections like
    "cryonicists buy potential immortality while the majority cannot afford it",
    "too many olds (even if they are in young bodies) will reduce the vitality
    and innovation of society", etc. Contrary to "God's will", these objections
    DO make rational sense, so it will be much more difficult to counter them. I
    am sure they can be countered, but it is going to take hard thinking and
    harder work.
    Now: what can we do to help winning the Martinot case?

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    ----- Original Message -----
    From: "JDP" <jacques@dtext.com>
    To: <extropians@extropy.org>
    Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2003 5:04 PM
    Subject: Re: Precisions on the Martinot situation
    Brett Paatsch a écrit (24.7.2003/23:12) :
    > I'd not realised the restrictions on free speach went so
    > far in France. By "condemned" do you mean that it is
    > actually illegal or just politically incorrect?
    Actually illegal.
    You know, it's really like in a family. Someone says something, and
    the mother says: "Don't say that!"
    I am sure it was common in the ancestral tribe, too.
    See how Damien recently reacted to a suggestion by Robert :-)
    > If I was going to try and resolve a similar legal
    > problem with cryonics in Australia I'd look to the
    > civil libertarian organisations as natural allies.
    I do not know of the existence of such an organization here. I know
    some that supposedly care about freedom of speech, or privacy rights,
    or consumers rights, or minorities rights, but I don't know any that
    generally cares about individual liberties, in a way that might extend
    to cryonics.
    You have those that defend the liberty to have babies at all costs,
    that sort of things. But I don't think their charter will extend to
    cryonics.
    I will contact a few organizations who are libertarian-oriented, as
    they might be the most receptive. I will get them to read the article
    by David Nicholas about immortality (that I have translated and
    published at <http://dtext.com/transition/nicholas/nicholas1.html>)
    and see if they are interested to do something before the Conseil
    d'Etat gives its decision.
    Thanks for your input.
    Jacques
    


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