From: Harvey Newstrom (mail@HarveyNewstrom.com)
Date: Thu Jul 17 2003 - 08:30:22 MDT
Spike wrote,
> Is that why we did that? I was wondering.
Specifically, I made the mistake of encouraging people to take arguments
off-list to the moderator as the list rules require. Unfortunately, I
didn't realize that we no longer had a moderator and that the list rules
were not being enforced or followed. Trying to follow the list rules
made things worse as people tried to make official complaints with
nobody to accept them. As far as I know, none of the complaints were
ever addressed.
> Curious, tho, we have had several flamefests
> way worse than the one that broke out in May
> and June. I need to check it however, for
> I was having a lot of computer problems then
> and much of my email was being automatically
> deleted, so I mighta missed it.
This latest one was a lot more personal and spilled over into the real
world. I am not going to rehash it or go into details again. However,
previous flame-wars were more about people's ideas or actions on the
list. The latest flame-wars included accusations of real-world
activities off-list regarding suspected support of different sides of
the War on Iraq. There also were vague accusations against ExI as an
organization and against its officers for some sort of ill-defined
political misconduct. We also saw reports of off-list discussions,
rumors and activities beyond the on-list discussion. We have never seen
this level of coordination before, with this number of concurrent
targets, nor this amount of off-list activity before. This truly was
something new for our list.
> Perhaps the flamewar was it, but it might just
> be the times. Dynamic and practical optimism
> has been more difficult in the last couple years,
> has it not?
The real-world problems have been over the last few years. The list
problems have just occurred in the last few months. Also, other
transhumanist lists are not facing the same problem even though they
consist of similar people in a similar world.
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