From: Mike Lorrey (mlorrey@yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Jun 08 2003 - 15:56:55 MDT
--- Steve Davies <steve365@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> Mike Lorrey wrote
>
> >
> > People who swear to citizenship are entering a contract with the
> > rest of us to honor and respect that constitution and its content.
>
> What about those who are just born? (A genuine question, I'm not sure
> how it fits in to this scheme unless everyone has to make such an
> undertaking on reaching a certain age).
Natural born citizens? In many states, registering to vote includes
such a clause. I personally prefer the idea of earning full
citizenship, but such an idea would never fly here, you'd have to start
a new country somewhere to do that. Citizenship gained too easily is
valued too cheaply.
>
> > "Everyone is entitled to their opinion" is such a cop out. Do you
> > think that monarchists should bring the monarchy back to Italy?
> > Perhaps the Pope should rule Italy like he used to? Or the
> > Spanish? Perhaps the Nazis should run Germany once more...
> >
> > There are some opinions which, while people are entitled to them,
> > cannot be permitted to find fertile ground to take root in reality.
> >
> What?! There are monarchists in Italy (and several other European
> republics) who are fully at liberty to put their views. Do you
> think they shouldn't be able to? Who or what is going to "not
> permit" certain views "to find fertile ground to take root in
> reality"? And whence comes the power to "permit", which logically
> implies a power to forbid?
Did you not read that which you snipped? If holders of unconstitutional
opinions wish to foist their opinions on us in reality, they are free
to do so so long as they follow constititonally presecribed methods.
I don't know what means there is to alter constitutions of Italy or any
other european nation. If it takes a simple majority vote, that is your
choice and your country, you are free to do so. Here in the US, we
raised the bar a little bit higher so that idiots, tyrants, and fools
could not destroy the experiment too easily.
=====
Mike Lorrey
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