Re: [Para-Discuss] faster than light?

From: Damien Broderick (damienb@unimelb.edu.au)
Date: Sat Jun 07 2003 - 22:44:45 MDT

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    >> Live on Tuesday's ECTV's 'Radio Hour', my guest Dr. Tom VanFlandren hit
    >> us with an unexpected surprise. While discussing the inter-planetary
    >> play of asteroid's, comets, and minor planets, Dr. VanFlandren disclosed
    >> his ground breaking research with regard to the 'speed of gravity'.

    See http://www.ldolphin.org/vanFlandern/gravityspeed.html

     The Speed of Gravity - What the Experiments Say
     Tom Van Flandern tomvf@metaresearch.org
     Meta Research, Univ. of Maryland Physics, Army Research Lab 6327 Western
    Ave., NW / Washington, DC 20015-2456 (metaresearch.org)

     Abstract
     Standard experimental techniques exist to determine the propagation speed
    of forces. When we apply these techniques to gravity, they all yield
    propagation speeds too great to measure, substantially faster than
    lightspeed. This is because gravity, in contrast to light, has no
    detectable aberration or propagation delay for its action, even for cases
    (such as binary pulsars) where sources of gravity accelerate significantly
    during the light time from source to target By contrast, the finite
    propagation speed of light causes radiation pressure forces to have a
    non-radial component causing orbits to decay (the "Poynting-Robertson
    effect"); but gravity has no counterpart force proportional to v/c to first
    order. General relativity (GR) explains these features by suggesting that
    gravitation (unlike electromagnetic forces) is a pure geometric effect of
    curved space-time, not a force of nature that propagates. Gravitational
    radiation, which surely does propagate at lightspeed but is a fifth order
    effect in v/c, is too small to play a role in explaining this difference in
    behavior between gravity and ordinary forces of nature. Problems with the
    causality principle also exist for GR in this connection, such as
    explaining how the external fields between binary black holes manage to
    continually update without benefit of communication with the masses hidden
    behind event horizons. These causality problems would be solved without any
    change to the mathematical formalism of GR, but only to its interpretation,
    if gravity is once again taken to be a propagating force of nature in flat
    spacetime with the propagation speed indicated by observational evidence
    and experiments: not less than 2 x 10^10 c. Such a change of perspective
    requires no change in the assumed character of gravitational radiation or
    its lightspeed propagation. Although faster-than-light force propagation
    speeds do violate Einstein special relativity (SR), they are in accord with
    Lorentzian relativity, which has never been experimentally distinguished
    from SR-at least, not if favor of SR. Indeed, far from upsetting much of
    current physics, the main changes induced by this new perspective are
    beneficial to areas where physics has been struggling, such as explaining
    experimental evidence for non-locality in quantum physics, the dark matter
    issue in cosmology, and the possible unification of forces. Recognition of
    a faster-than-lightspeed propagation of gravity, as indicated by all
    existing experimental evidence, may be the key to taking conventional
    physics to the next plateau.



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