RE: IRAQ: Predictable catastrophes of human stupidity

From: Lee Corbin (lcorbin@tsoft.com)
Date: Sat Apr 12 2003 - 09:36:44 MDT

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    Mike Lorrey writes

    > > And while I don't share his pessimism, I certainly do
    > > agree with his concern that the present idiot-in-chief
    > > isn't ready to handle success.

    I'm continually appalled at the negative "cult of personality"
    on this list. Evidently most people think that Bush runs the
    government entirely on his own, as a sort of telepathic slaver
    over all the millions of government functionaries. No matter
    how many times the entrenched bureaucrats in the various
    departments are referred to, nor no matter how many times the
    president's advisors (Rumsfeld, Rice, Powell, etc.) and their
    staffs are referred to, it just doesn't matter: the refrain
    is always the same: George Bush doesn't have the I.Q. to do
    the job (whether it's "managing" the economy, or "conducting"
    foreign affairs).

    > > However I believe, and hope, that wiser minds can prevail and turn
    > > our symbolic victory today into something real and long-term.
    >
    > I'd pit any one of Bush's crew against the entire combined IQ of the
    > anti-war Hollywoodites.

    Mike, it's pretty useless. These references to Bush's crew fall
    upon deaf ears. Those who have a low opinion of George Bush's
    personal characteristics are determined to perceive all of U.S.
    policy as an extension of that particular mind and will.

    > > In particular, I'm glad the Brits are there. They might have a bad
    > > record as imperialist dogs, but right now that's what Iraq needs:
    > > someone who is experienced in bringing order to a conquered people.
    > > Hopefully they are now enlightened enough to then give them their
    > > independence without the need of a revolution.
    >
    > British experience in bringing order to conquered people usually
    > involved lots of executions, imprisonments, and forced exile.

    How sure are you that such were not necessary in the 19th century
    when dealing with primitive populations? A lot is made in the
    discussions right now about how well it went in Japan and Germany
    after the war, even though they were vastly less appreciative of
    what the invaders had accomplished.

    Well, the reason is extremely simple: Iraq far more closely
    resembles the 19th century nations that Britain administered
    than it does Japan or Germany, whose citizens were already
    quite used to working together in a modern society. How much
    looting took place in Frankfurt after allied liberation?

    The looting will stop only when the five or ten of Iraqis
    inclined to take personal advantage of the situation are
    fearful of drastic punishment. The enlightened leaders of
    the West are not capable of providing that level of fear,
    and a repressive civilian authority sooner or later will
    be established. (Hopefully sooner, and hopefully far less
    repressive than Saddam's regime had been.)

    As for the title of this thread, I do not believe that there
    are any "predictable stupidities" concerning the present
    situation. The only thing close to predictable is the continued
    naivety of many people who think that the situation is simple,
    "if only" people of noble intentions and good character were
    in charge in Washington.

    Lee



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