"The Great Catastrophe" (was Libertarian theory breaking down)

From: Amara Graps (amara@amara.com)
Date: Mon Mar 24 2003 - 11:00:30 MST

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    matus
    >This further supports Mike's statements, no amount of intelligence and
    >perserverence from guerilla tactic anarchists can defeat a massive statist
    >invasion with advanced weaponry and overwhelming firepower.

    Mike was making a statement against words that I never said, putting
    words in my mouth (which makes me more than a little angry). I did
    not see any attempt by him or you or others to look at what Dan and
    I pointed links to regarding the definition of anarchocapitalism. I
    only saw some bizarre references by Mike to who he thinks are
    'anarchists'. The Afghan comment was really the one that got me
    upset, though, apologies to the list that I responded to his
    baiting.

    If I wanted to get to my point about how noncentralized political
    structures are more conducive to humans growth in the future off
    this planet (which was really my original intention, but some people
    here, who seem to be stuck on war, sidetracked me), then I lost
    interest. If anyone is wondering why more enlightened topics not
    often-enough make into broad discussion on extropians, then here is
    one reason why. For me, it takes too much energy to talk about that
    here, fighting against narrow-minded views and I see little interest
    with these people to look into it further and study the sources.
    My personality doesn't relish fighting in general, and my hands
    don't have the typing ability, and it is not worth my time in general.
    I see too many knee-jerk responses here. The answer is to set up
    kill-files, but I have the same psychological blocks with using
    kill-files as those discussed by Emlyn.

    The title of the message is of course, referring to what the Afghan
    people called the invasion of the Soviets in 1979. How many millions
    disappeared? Nobody knows. By the crudest estimates, some 10 million
    Afghans by 1986 no longer existed and a generation of Afghans mostly
    gone (dead, in prisons, in refugee camps, escaped to the west). The
    largest population of refugees in the 1980s were the Afghan
    population. The world was very silent during this time.

    Please read some history and please talk to some Afghan refugees
    from that time. There is no better source than the people who were
    actually there.

    After you do that, then, please read some eyewitness accounts such
    as Lessing's book.

    A history note:
    The Soviets invaded Afghanistan in 1979. The Afghans fought
    them with little help, surprisingly successively for a large
    part of that war. Please look to Soviet sources or talk to Russians
    for how difficult of a time the Soviets were having.

    The U.S weapons to the Afghan fighters were not until some
    7 or 8 years later. We all know how that turned out, don't we?
    Oh yes, it's lovely to have two superpowers using an innocent
    people for their political goals.

    to save my typing fingers

    "Creating new states (Chechnya and some similarities to
    Afghanistan, Baltics)"

    http://www.lucifer.com/exi-lists/extropians.1Q00/0603.html

    I will stop responding to and reading this thread, now.

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