Re: Europe and assimilation

From: Amara Graps (amara@amara.com)
Date: Thu Mar 13 2003 - 06:45:47 MST

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    Anders Sandberg:
    >I vividly recall the confusion among senior neuroscientists and
    >graduate students alike when we were trying to figure out the rules
    >regulating our lunch coupons during a one-month neuroscience course
    >in Trieste.

    Trieste is almost not Italy ...

    I'll bet you couldn't figure out what was "allowed" for your first
    course, for your second course, for your third course, what was 'free',
    and what you needed to pay for.... (CNR has lunch tickets, too)

    There exists here a web of offerings that really do take care of an
    individual that appears to be available to the individual at "no
    cost". Unlike that moniker 'you get what you pay for', some of it is
    quite good (for example, the food).

    On the other hand, sometimes you cannot believe that things could
    be run so badly or that they could treat someone so stupidly.

    (science, by the way, is considered by those in Italy as a somewhat
    trivial and not very useful activity, that's my impression,
    so far. Salaries of scientists rival that of bus drivers.)

    >Much of this trouble is because we do not understand the important
    >subtexts. What laws can (and should) be ignored?

    My impression is "Many".

    There are 200,000 laws in this country. Quite impossible to follow and
    know what are all of those laws, yet there is an enormous bureaucracy
    (who feel uncomfortable with technology) who tries to manage that.

    And you'll find that the further south you go, the less meaningful
    are the laws to people. (I keep hearing stories of the people in
    Napoli especially, who make a kind of game of defying laws.)

    Unfortunately for me, because I'm a foreigner, if I don't treat
    the laws more seriously than the average Italian, then I'm out
    of here on my butt.

    >When is the proper response a gift?

    that's hard to know

    >Italy strikes me as based on
    >informal social relations

    Totally. In the space sciences, where NASA email rules, Italian
    astronomers are much more comfortable picking up the phone and
    calling the others directly (or better, showing up at their door).

    >managing a horrendously baroque formal
    >system that would not work if people actually obeyed the letter of
    >the rules.

    exactly

    >While in Sweden and Germany the rules are relatively sane
    >and are intended to be followed;

    (in Germany rules are more important than people, though)

    >here informal relations are not welcome

    >It is well worth considering that Italy has a higher cultural power
    >distance (50 in Hofstede's study) than Germany (35) and Sweden (31)
    >(USA: 40) and a higher uncertainty avoidance (Sweden 29, USA 46,
    >Germany 65, Italy 75). At the same time individualism is higher
    >(Germany 67, Sweden 71, Italy 76, USA 91). So following rules and
    >authorities is very important, but one acts as an individual.

    The most important 'unit' to the Italian is the family. Then the
    local neighborhood, then the town, and that's where it stops. They
    don't have strong feelings of 'unity' for the nation.

    In the time that I have been here, two important figures to many
    Italians died: 1) the 'father' of Fiat, and 2) the actor : Alberto Sordi.
    Politicians don't have as large of an influence. In both instances,
    it was major national news, it was very remarkable to have something
    that had such a 'unifying' effect.

    Sordi, in particular, seems to have reached deep into the
    consciousness of these people for more than half a century. For
    them, he showed how stupid they could be at the same time of
    reassuring them that their stupid ways were OK and more, it was
    appreciated. One evening a few days after Sordi died, I had dinner
    with a man who started to cry when I asked him what was his
    opinion was of Sordi. (that's how much this actor was loved)

    Amara

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      Rome Crowds Cry, Cheer for Italy Comic Hero Sordi Thu February 27,
       2003 10:11 AM ET

       By Estelle Shirbon

       ROME (Reuters) - Grieving for a silver screen legend who portrayed
       their virtues and vices like no other, some 250,000 Italians gave
       comic actor Alberto Sordi a rousing send-off on Thursday.

       Massed on a square outside Rome's vast cathedral, the Basilica of
       San Giovanni Laterano, the crowd cheered and clapped out of
       respect as Sordi's coffin arrived for his funeral.

       "It's like losing a member of the family," said Angelina Olivieri,
       63, a tiny, soft-spoken woman in a prim red coat, choking back her
       tears as she spoke.

       A familiar and loved face to generations of Italians, Sordi
       excelled at playing the ordinary man in slightly extraordinary
       circumstances and squeezed every moment for its last drop of
       comedy, tragi-comedy and absurdity.

       He died on Tuesday aged 82, unleashing a wave of emotion not seen
       in Italy for years.

       As the great and the good piled into the Roman basilica to pay
       their last respects on Thursday, thousands of ordinary people from
       all walks of life waited outside, following the funeral service on
       especially erected maxi-screens.

       Millions more followed the ceremony as it was broadcast live on
       state television.

       "When a loved one dies, a mass of memories and emotions crowd the
       minds of those who stay behind. Since Alberto Sordi has died, this
       has happened to an entire city, an entire country," said Cardinal
       Camillo Ruini in his funeral oration.

       The crowd outside clapped and nodded as he spoke. One man in a
       smart suit broke down in tears and knelt with his head bowed.

       Overhead, a small plane crossed over the basilica trailing a
       banner that read: "This time you've made us cry."

       Ahead of the funeral, Sordi's coffin was displayed in Rome city
       hall drawing some 200,000 mourners who filed past the open casket
       night and day to say their last goodbye.

       By contrast, when Fiat patriarch Gianni Agnelli died last month,
       some 100,000 people saw his coffin and 10,000 attended his
       funeral.

       "All Romans and all Italians loved Sordi because he brought us
       smiles and laughter, the greatest gift," said Valentina Dellana, a
       student with hair dyed flaming red, crying under her blue-tinted
       sunglasses as she made the sign of the cross.

       When policemen acting as pallbearers carried Sordi's coffin out
       after the service, they were met with wild applause and chants of
       "Al-ber-to! Al-ber-to!" echoed around the square.

       Many of the mourners wore the orange and red scarves of Rome's
       number one soccer club, AS Roma.

       "He was a real Roman and this came out in his acting. In turn
       Romans have adopted many of his mannerisms so that we often sound
       just like him," said Alfonso Maffei, a man in his 30s.

       © Copyright Reuters 2002.

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