Re:PEACE?: Gotta love those polls! (NOT really about IRAQ)

From: Artillo5@cs.com
Date: Tue Mar 11 2003 - 15:16:52 MST

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    In a message dated 03/11/2003 2:17:16 PM Eastern Standard Time,
    Dehede011@aol.com writes:

    << In a message dated 3/11/2003 12:32:08 PM Central Standard Time,
     Artillo5@cs.com writes: What *I* want to see is an international poll to see
     what percentage of people in the world think that if the international
     community fails to act firmly now against the UNITED STATES, then the world
     will become a more dangerous place in years to come?
     
     Arti,
            None of that matters. What counts is that the US is the one that has
     been shot at, hit, lost citizenry/visitors, and is being aimed at again.
     That you wish to knock off the US, aren't concerned with American loss of
     life and don't like us anyway means nothing.
     Have a good day,
     Ron h.
    >>

    Ron,

    Up until now I have refrained from responding on any of your commentary thus
    far, but I think this one takes the cake and is deserving of a reply.Your
    obvious lack of reading comprehension skills and penchant for putting words
    in people's mouths makes you sound like more of a buffoon than ever before.

    Point #1: I think that the opinion of the world's human beings matters very
    much. Unfortunately, there will never be a completely honest representation
    of people's opinions in any poll for obvious reasons.

    Point #2: Nowhere in my post did I EVER state that I "wish[ed] to knock off
    the US" as you seem to think I did. I think I stated my intentions rather
    plainly in the original post. Read more carefully next time.

    Point #3: I am not only concerned with the loss of American lives, but the
    lives of EVERY SINGLE HUMAN BEING ON THE PLANET. If war can be averted at any
    cost then THAT is the road we need to take for HUMANITY'S sake. We need to
    stop slaughtering eachother over bullshit ideological, religious, or
    otherwise dogmatic reasons.

    Point #4: I think you have the misconception that I am not an American
    Citizen. The only kinds of people I dislike are ignorant, close-minded, and
    blindly patriotic, but... this is America and everyone is entitled to their
    opinion as long as it's not forced down our throats. Would I be better off as
    a citizen of another country? I surely don't know.

    Ron, why exactly are you still on this list? It seems to me that much of the
    rhetoric I have seen you spouting off recently seems to have very little with
    core Extropian values and a lot to do with you being pissed off at the way
    the world is today. YES I agree with you, the world is a pretty messed up
    place, YES there are lots and lots of bad people out there, and YES there are
    many forms of injustice out there, however, I do NOT agree with ANY
    government who decides to KILL to support their own brand of dogma, INCLUDING
    the United States. I also am very disconcerted about the direction the
    current US administration and it's agents are taking this country are taking
    in regards to our civil liberties. I don't think I have to lecture you on the
    importance of rational arguments on these issues and the rights of the people
    to petition the government for a redress of grievances if they have a problem
    with the way things are going. I hope that those of us who truly care about
    these and other rights make their voices heard loud and clear before those
    same rights are taken away from us by policies that are bordering on Fascism.

    If you don't like it when someone like me wants to try to get a balanced view
    of the issues by attmpting to obtain information from sources outside of
    their general sphere of resources, then I suggest you stop reading any more
    emails and simply rely on CBS news or wherever you go to shop for your daily
    dose of yellow journalism. Of course, you are more than welcome to
    participate in a Flame War with me, but it will be a rather futile exercise
    (you can't have a war with only one side fighting!), so I would encourage you
    to maintain your dignity and stop before you start.

    With all due respect,

    Artillo



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