Re: Hydrogen as SCAM? Water as limit

From: Extropian Agro Forestry Ventures Inc. (megao@sk.sympatico.ca)
Date: Fri Jan 31 2003 - 20:21:18 MST


What I meant is that where the wind farms are located... the great plains of
the USA and prairies of Canada the water is not abundant. In these areas all
available water is put to some use. That is if you want to split water, cool
it to liquid hydrogen or convert it to hydrides or bucky-tube conglomerates for
shipment to large population centers. To get water in those areas would
necessitate removing it from a hydrated source such as plant tissues.

EX- take acres of various ag crops that have uses as dry pelleted or
fractionated dehydrated
components. Water then is available. Add wind farms in substantial quantities
for on or near site
electricity. Split the captured water, ship the primary/secondary production
utilizing hydrogen powered trucks. Use power to provide cooling to liquify the
hydrogen. The heat side of that equation could run the dehydration side of the
equation. By products= electricity to grid, hydrogen fuel, bio-products of
numerous types. The bio-products utilize the solar input component.
The limiting factor is the water. Without integrating novel sources such as
above you have raw power that has to be put into a grid and exported to a water
source such as a city with sources of waste water that are not required by
up-stream communities. In the end to grow the equation by several orders of
magnitude we need global warming to liberate the polar cap ice over a 50-200
year period. During this period systems and infrastructure to hold this
quantity of water in various bio and chemical forms can be built up. This
senario would support a much larger world population as well.

spike66 wrote:

> Rafal wrote:
> >
> >>### The total land area of the US is 9,158,960 sq km. It would be easy to
> >>use a million square miles for windfarms.
>
> A million square miles would be over a quarter of
> the total land area in the U.S. The entire world's
> energy needs shouldn't demand that much power.
> Rafal, Did you goof the units?
>
> We have some good windfarms near here. I need to
> get estimates of output vs land used. Then we hafta
> figure a way to get the greens to stop worrying that
> we are swatting birds all over the place.
>
> Someone mentioned that hydrogen power would be limited
> by water availability. Nay I disagree, for we waste
> unimaginable quantities of water by letting it flow
> uselessly into the sea. But the extropians already
> know that this issue is one I have been choking on
> for years.
>
> Using wind power to create electricity for most of
> our power needs and creating hydrogen with some
> fraction of the wind energy is a viable option for
> our future power needs. Of course it would be
> capital intensive, but we have capital.
>
> spike



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