Re: FITNESS: Creatine monohydrate for lean mass gain?

Russell Whitaker (
Fri, 16 Aug 1996 15:01:27 -0700

On Aug 15, 7:14pm, Max More wrote this (quoted with ">"):
> Subject: Re: FITNESS: Creatine monohydrate for lean mass gain?
> At 02:23 PM 8/15/96 -0700, Russell Whitaker wrote:
> >I tend to be rather skeptical of dietary fads in bodybuilding,
> >preferring a long-term strategy of a generally lowfat diet
> >spread out in small meals over a day, and a protein intake
> >of 1.2-1.5g/lb bodymass, but have recently heard from a number
> >of people I respect, some trainers, of creatine monohydrate.
> >Has anyone here in the extropian bodysculpting community
> >heard of this? If so, have you any opinions?
> Yes! It works! I'm also highly skeptical about these things, and have never
> seen results from other substances, such as chromium picolinate. However, I
> decided to try creatine after Dr. Ray Sahelian, who is coming out with a
> short book on the stuff (see the forthcoming Extropy for a review), did some
> research and said it looked promising.

Interesting time for me to have brought this up, then! And about
chromium picolinate: I tried it for several months myself, and
similarly found it inefficacious.

> After two months using it, I gained about 10 lbs. Usually I gain much more
> slowly, having been stable at around 183 lbs for months. I'm now 193 lbs. I
> don't think much, if any of it is fat. Possibly some may be extra fluid
> retention, though I have no particular reason to think so. Certainly my
> strength has increased considerably. E.g., I've gone from 580 lbs to 650 lbs
> on the leg press, and from 80 lbs to 110 lbs (for 15 reps) on the barbell

Your 580 lb on the leg press is close to what I'm doing on the
same exercise, though I don't think I've reached my plateau for
that on my present regimen. I _am_ stuck at 198 lb of bodyweight,
and am interested to see if creatine & exercise would make a difference
(present target: 205 lb bodyweight). I'll need to read some more
before I start it. Also, before trying it in earnest, I plan a
fitness evaluation to determine present states of weight, percentage
bodyfat, cardiovascular fitness, and dimensions of major muscle

> I'm happy with the results!

Great! I look forward to testing creatine for myself.

> >I haven't tried it yet. I'm told by a friend:
> >
> >> ... Creatine Monohydrate is approximately 300 mg and costs $40.00;
> >> the manufacturer is Sports Pharma, out of Concord.
> You can get a kilo for $80, or 450 g for about $45. Ray's book gives
> guidelines for dosing. I got my from Lindberg/Nutrition Express:

Will call and compare.

> Get a bigger body to go along with that bigger brain!

But of course!


>-- End of quoted excerpt from Max More

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