Re: some U.S. observations and notes

From: Mike Lorrey (
Date: Sun Dec 23 2001 - 07:00:13 MST

Geraint Rees wrote:
> On 12/22/01 9:28 PM, "Mike Lorrey" <> wrote:
> > Of course, it is entirely because of this attitude that the 911 attacks
> > were able to occur. We had Moussawi in jail for a month before the
> > attacks, with him refusing to talk. If we were able to interrogate him
> > further, then over 3,000 lives would have been saved. How many lives are
> > such rights worth, especially in the case of people who are not even
> > citizens?
> The problem with this statement is that it presumes that it is possible to
> determine the course of future events. How do you know that the individual
> you are detaining at the moment should be 'interrogated further', with all
> the abrogation of human rights that entails? If that helps mitigate horrific
> crimes in the future then sure, deploy utilitarian arguments. But how do you
> know in advance? And how do you decide when (and how) to stop the
> interrogation if you haven't found out the plot that you "know" can be
> thwarted, if only you interrogate a bit harder?

When someone is arrested on charges of violating immigration laws, after
being reported by his flight instructor for only wanting to learn how to
fly a plane in the air, not take off or land, it is rather obvious to
ANYONE with a brain that the guy is a terrorist.

> > Outside of OBL and al Qaeda, the rest of the blame for 9-11 falls
> > squarely on the shoulders of the ACLU and their ilk.
> I think this is a very unfortunate statement that you might like to retract.
> I don't see any similarity between the activities of an organisation that
> seeks to defend civil liberties in the US and a terrorist organisation
> responsible for thousands of murders.

The ACLU IS a terrorist organization responsible for thousands of
murders. They do NOT defend civil liberties that their left-wing agenda
is opposed to. For instance, the ACLU has NEVER defended anyone's 2nd
Amendment rights, and is on record with an official policy of supporting
gun control and gun confiscation laws. Since it has been conclusively
shown that gun use by law abiding citizens saves far more lives than it
costs (and those that do die from gun use by law abiding citizens are
more likely to be criminals than not) then the ACLU is responsible for
the deaths of thousands of Americans who die from criminal assaults,
unable to defend themselves due to gun control laws.

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