Re: some U.S. observations and notes

From: Mike Lorrey (
Date: Tue Dec 18 2001 - 09:35:53 MST

Samantha Atkins wrote:
> Mike Lorrey wrote:
> >
> > Samantha Atkins wrote:
> > >
> > > Brian D Williams wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Don't worry, armed troops are defending your right to be a
> > > > pacifist.
> > > >
> > >
> > > I don't require any troops to be a pacifist. I fully accept my
> > > fundamental
> > > vulnerability. I can be killed but I cannot be ruled.
> >
> > What? Never been in an abusive relationship? Torture can take many
> > forms, and with 99.9999% of the population, they all work to one degree
> > or another, given enough time, nor do I know of any woman who has ever
> > successfully resisted torture. The Taliban have proven that they are
> > quite willing to use torture on anybody to gain compliance. Such
> > individuals rejoice when faced with the opportunity to play with
> > pacifists, they make such pliable subjects.
> Not long ago you were arguing the justifications for the US to
> use torture on people only suspected of terrorism. Later you
> were arguing that human rights are not applicable to
> non-citizens. Now you are claiming that women can't take what
> men can. <sheesh> But the Taliban are still much worse than
> anyone and justify whatever means we could ever employ and
> definitely prove there is no alternative but more violence in
> the world. Yep. Makes great sense to me.
> My apologies. I should not rise to the bait.

You should not misrepresent other people's statements. I was justifying
the use of drugs to interrogate uncooperative individuals who we have
evidence were involved in terrorist groups.

I have argued that those who, by their actions, have declared themselves
outside the realm of civilized behavior, who do not declare any status
as a combatant in some martial arm of a government, strip themselves of
their human rights under the Geneva Conventions (which I highly
recommend you actually read before you continue to make a fool of
yourself). They do not deserve the protections of civilian US Courts.
They are unlawful combatants, violating the most important of
international laws. Such people are properly prosecuted in military
tribunals, as war criminals properly are.

Apparently, you still have not seen the videotape where bin Laden
confesses his guilt and that of his organization. If after seeing it,
you are still not convinced that al Qaeda and the Taliban are the
epitome of evil and need to be wiped out, then there really is no hope
for rational discourse with you.

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