Re: Meme-set conflicts [was Re: some U.S. observations and notes]

From: Robert J. Bradbury (
Date: Mon Dec 17 2001 - 16:50:41 MST

On Mon, 17 Dec 2001, Amara Graps wrote:

> The answer is no. Look at communism, Robert. Communism didn't
> fragment until a number of other conditions were met (probably
> the Cold War didn't help much to support the "information wants
> to be free" meme, either)

It isn't clear to me precisely what caused communism to fragment.
I doubt the Cold War did it as well. It isn't clear to me whether
the Regan arms build up stressed the Soviet economy to the breaking
point or whether it simply fell apart of its own inertia.

> What are your goals here? To push U.S. ideology in conditions
> like that? If you want to use force to push U.S. ideology
> through their baren soil, then I won't help you.

I don't believe in pushing any idealogy other than the one
that people should be free and some form of a democratic
government is better than an oppressive government not
chosen by a majority of the people. I might want to
push the concept of fundamental human rights, along
the lines of U.N. treaties (I haven't read them in detail
to be sure I fully agree with them).

I believe that only 2 countries in the world had relations
with the Taliban regime in Afghanistan. I think that says
a *lot* about the number of people who generally thought we
were better off without that group.


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