Re: List Rules Part 1 (Was: Ad hominem? I think not.)

From: Randy Smith (
Date: Thu Nov 22 2001 - 05:15:10 MST

>From: Samantha Atkins <>
>Subject: Re: List Rules Part 1 (Was: Ad hominem? I think not.)
>Date: Thu, 22 Nov 2001 02:33:38 -0800
>"E. Shaun Russell" wrote:
> >
> > Jeff Davis wrote:
> > >The list supposedly has rules as to what is and is not
> > >allowed, but enforcement is all but non-existent. It
> > >seems to me that the ambitions of the Extropy
> > >Institute--more specifically Max, Greg, Natasha, et
> > >al, ie, those who have invested huge parts of there
> > >life to make ExI what it is, and to make its mark in
> > >the world--are being sacrificed--at least here on the
> > >list--by a failure on the part of the list "owners" to
> > >enforce a minimum standard of courtesy/respect (dare I
> > >say "adult" behavior).
> >
> > Well, I haven't seen anything lately that I feel is contemptible enough
> > deal with in an authoritarian manner. Also, no one has contacted me
> > directly regarding any extraneous offence that has been dished out. I
> > would rather not have to "enforce" anything, and as has been the case in
> > the past (both recent and more distant), a spontaneous order of sorts
> > always sorted things out in the long run. Threads about improving the
> > pop up a few times each year, but the general consensus has always been
> > that the current method (hands off except for in extreme circumstances
> > as the gun discussion moratorium in '99) is the best.
>The bilge that some have dumped on me is not contemptible? I
>hold it in great contempt. If you want a formal complaint or
>require one before you take notice then consider this a formal
>complaint. The treatment I have received from John Clark and
>Mike Lorrey does not belong on a civilized list. The list rule
>says no personal attacks. It has obviously been violated.
>Either the rule means something or it doesn't. You decide.
>Not that I can't deal with such and ignore them largely. But it
>certainly does detract from my enjoyment and willingness to
>participate and ability to share what I am actually here for.
>So, yes, I do experience such as a degradation of the list
>personally. Enough so that I have been tempted multiple times
>of late to give this list up as a bad job.

As for ad hom attacks, you yourself are probably the worst I have seen on
this list, and only about three or four other people are in the running.....

Don't make me break out the archives, either, cuz you aint gonna like their

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