> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-extropians@extropy.org
[mailto:owner-extropians@extropy.org]
> On Behalf Of Mike Lorrey
> Sent: Thursday, October 25, 2001 8:44 AM
> To: extropians@extropy.org
> Subject: Re:
>
> Samantha Atkins wrote:
> >
> > Mike Lorrey wrote:
> > >
> > > Samantha Atkins wrote:
> > > >
> > > > There is nothing wrong with the government forcefully prying
> > > > open my mind or yours on the least suspicion of wrong doing or
> > > > of withholding information it wishes to acquire? What could be
> > > > more a use of force than this? What happened to the 5th
> > > > amendment? What happened to privacy? What happened to the
> > > > sacrosanct individual? All gone for a little more "security".
> > >
> > > Prisoners of War do not have 5th Amendment rights, since their
actions
> > > are not considered 'crimes' per se. Moreover, nobody has a 5th
> amendment
> > > right in respect to knowledge of events yet to occur.
> >
> > Citizens and foreign nationals pulled in in an open sweep on no
> > grounds or very weak grounds or their nationality or the
> > ethnicity or their religion or age and gender or some
> > combination ... are "prisoners of war"? Excuse me?
>
> Once again, you are talking out your ear. Almost all were swept up on
> immigration violations. The rest were swept up because they had
personal
> interaction with the known hijackers or with other al Qaeda
operatives.
> In a war of insurgency, as this one is, there are no front lines to
> 'capture' prisoners on. This ain't no Stalag 13, no "Hogan's Heros",
> lady. Wake up and smell the patchouli. The enemy has infiltrated our
> homeland, they walk among us, dress like us, and try to act like good
> little westernized muslims.
So, someone under CIA surveillance comes up to you in an airport and
asks the time. The operative, because of your now known contact with a
"suspected" terrorist notes, "Round him up for questioning!" and when
you say you don't know anything it's OK to pull out all the stops to get
you to confess to your "knowledge"? I'm not sure I like the idea of
sacrificing individuals on the alter of paranoia.
--Steve, dudescholar@yahoo.com
"A society that will trade a little order for a little freedom will lose both, and deserve neither." --Thomas Jefferson
"They that give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -- Benjamin Franklin
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