Re: Are guns extropian?

ChuckKuecker (
Fri, 10 Jul 1998 08:17:48 -0500

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At 08:47 PM 7/9/98 EDT, EvMick wrote:
>My guess would be (given what little I know of present day tech)
that a
>portable laser might be used to ionize a pathway thru the air such
that it
>might conduct an electric current. Kind of a "cow prod at a
distance"...or a
>taser without the wires.
>A nonlethal device that no one would be seriously hurt with.
(absent the odd
>heart attack...but surely less lethal than airborne lead
poisoning)...but ever
>bit as much a deterrant as a firearm. BETTER than a fire arm
perhaps due to
>it's possible physical characterstics of no recoil...speed of light
>(well...REAL fast anyway...faster than a bullet) "lead"
>(or no) noise...etc....etc.. Very little training would be needed.
>Or some other kind of a "stunner".

Possibly a shift in the thread..

A laser sufficiently powerful to ionize an air column strongly enough to carry current sufficient to deter or injure a human would by itself be a very dangerous or lethal weapon. Death ray, anyone?

The other business I am involved in seeks nonlethal solutions to problems such as high speed car chases and similar situations where the police now use guns or main force. One idea I had was a charged stream of liquid to carry a current, a'la taser. I constructed a prototype with two Super Soakers mounted on a common pistol grip, and a 20 kV pulse generator connected so that the water streams would complete a circuit on the target. Testing resulted in the conclusion that a liquid stream cohesive enough to act at greater than three feet range would in itself carry enough energy to be able to seriousl injure the person aimed at. Also, simply wearing a raincoat renders the gadget useless.

About this time I applied for a patent on the device on the chance it could be somehow debugged - and found that another company had beaten us to the punch. Their disclosure, unfortunately, missed all the information my experiments turned up, so that their device is likely also useless.

Other ideas could be use of phased sound - low frequencies have been shown to disorient wihtout causing permanent harm, but are terribly hard to project, and ultrasonics can cause discomfort, but the power level needed is again possibly dangerous. There has been mention in trade journals of an ultrsonic 'speaker' that can direct audio to an apparent location in free space by using collimated ultrasonic beams that have beat notes in the range of the desired frequency. The air itself becomes the radiator.

Perhaps I have said too much...

Chuck Kuecker

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