Re: Are guns extropian?
Thu, 9 Jul 1998 20:47:40 EDT

In a message dated 7/9/98 5:46:51 PM Central Daylight Time, writes:

> I want to show them my computers
> and state that those who can keep up with the technology will rule the
> future. I don't want to unlock my gun cabinet and explain that those
> who are better armed will rule the future.

Yeah...reality sucks.

The fact of the matter to the best of my understanding is that you either have to be well enough armed yourself to deter agression ....or pay someone to do that little chore for you. Other wise the social predators run amok amongst us.

And I agree with what you said. (including that which I didn't copy)...but I don't see any solution with present day implemented technology. Particulary when govenment is falling down on its job...and the social mores that prevailed in the fifties (check out the violence stats for that time frame...) have changed so much.

AND I don't see any easy way to return to those days. A society is an ecology. There are certain "progenitor species" that prepare it and then go away. The progenitors that prepaired society for its instantiation of the fifties era are no where to be seen...and similar ones are (hopefully....<great depression...infant mortality....other great hardships>....not on the horizon)...

So what to do? My guess is that it's up to you.

Scientists, Technicians and Engineers I mean.

>From the dawn of life it's always been an "arms race"...arms against armor.
So how about if you techie types come up with better armor and some kind of non lethal offensive armament that could be as useful as firearms? Because it's always GONNA be an arms race...all the wishfulness and happy thinking isn't gonna change things.

My guess would be (given what little I know of present day tech) that a portable laser might be used to ionize a pathway thru the air such that it might conduct an electric current. Kind of a "cow prod at a distance"...or a taser without the wires.

A nonlethal device that no one would be seriously hurt with. (absent the odd heart attack...but surely less lethal than airborne lead poisoning)...but ever bit as much a deterrant as a firearm. BETTER than a fire arm perhaps due to it's possible physical characterstics of no recoil...speed of light execution (well...REAL fast anyway...faster than a bullet) "lead" nesecarry...low (or no) noise...etc....etc.. Very little training would be needed.

Or some other kind of a "stunner".

Absent something similar I see no change is our current situation...until all the boys grow up that is....the ones who survive.