Re: Olber again (was: Re: Big Bang is Bunk)

From: Miriam English (
Date: Tue Jul 31 2001 - 11:07:14 MDT

At 11:04 AM 31/07/2001 -0400, Mike Lorrey wrote:

>Miriam English wrote:
> > If matter is crushed out of existence then it doesn't collect.
>This is another one of the ignorant 'free lunch' claims that can't pan
>out. Matter that falls into a black hole isn't 'crushed out of
>existence'. Its mass adds to the gravitational field of the black hole.
>Thus in a universe of infinite age, some proportion of black holes would
>have infinite mass, and would thus cause the infinite universe to
>destroy itself.

Tch tch tch. Mike, this is a pretty strong (not to mention insulting) claim
to make when talking about something which is still theoretical. Nobody has
actually even seen a black hole in action yet as far as I know. We are
pretty damn sure they exist and are at the heart of most(?) galaxies, but I
don't think we yet have any direct evidence that they even exist, let alone
certainty about what goes on inside them. Sure, we can extrapolate the laws
of physics as we know them and hope that they hold up inside such beasts,
but we can't really say what happens under such extreme conditions.

But, I wasn't actually saying that matter *is* crushed out of existence
inside black holes, it was an *if*. I was simply posing speculative
possibilities in response to your earlier hasty post.

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A. They are both purple... except for the elephant.
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