Party of Citizens wrote:
>
> On Fri, 27 Jul 2001, Mike Lorrey wrote:
>
> > Party of Citizens wrote:
> > >
> > > On Thu, 26 Jul 2001, Mike Lorrey wrote:
> > >
> > > > Party of Citizens wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Is it founded on truth...present and future? Does it stand for something
> > > > > other than truth? If so, what?
> > > >
> > > > Something founded on fact is not considered religion, since religion
> > > > relys on faith unsupported by any facts or testable phenomena.
> > >
> > > But grasshopper...I asked about TRUTH. Is that the essence of
> > > Extropianism? Are Extropians true believers?
> >
> > We are not believers, belief hinders the critical faculties. We are
> > knowers and we extrapolate and theorize based on facts that are already
> > in evidence. We do not have faith or belief to the extent that
> > religionists do, since we insist on testability, Occam's Razor, etc.
>
> You are splitting hairs, grasshopper. If I know this is my hand in front
> of my yinyang, then I BELIEVE it is in front of my yinyang. Show me one
> prophet or other religious leader in the Bible who directed us to ignore
> logical-empirical, scientific reality. Faith is followed by works because
> without works, faith is dead. And works must be tested. The Bible never
> said otherwise. Metaphysics doesn't detract from physics one bit.
So solly, boll weevil. The physical works of a brainwashed believer does
not make a God real. The works of a futurist make his/her projected
future real. Therin lies the difference.
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