Re: META: List discipline -- look out for ruling by Greg Burch

Eliezer S. Yudkowsky (
Thu, 10 Jun 1999 02:19:54 -0500

Max More wrote:
> Since Greg is more actively involved with the list than am I at this time,
> he will announce our ruling to curb this problem. I stand behind his
> statements and his judgement completely. Greg has the power to suspend from
> the list those who ignore his ruling.

Hear, hear!

I would like to urge that the reasons behind the ruling be explained in sufficiently generic terms that the ruling can be retargeted quickly in case this happens again. I'm not necessarily suggesting that this particular ruling be expanded beyond guns, understand - I'd just like to support the idea of this ruling as a precedent-setting example, a framework, and not a temporary exigency.

With many core transhumanist concepts going at least semi-mainstream, we have to deal with the fact that the Extropian list is known to a wider range of posters. This is a good thing, and I'm sure the majority will become valued transhumanists. But it's also true that a wider range of these posters will not be familiar with the core concepts of Extropianism. If the list is to remain interesting, there has to be a definite (and enforced) limit on non-novel argument about the fundamentals. I am fully in favor of explaining things to novices, but not *arguing* the basics with them.

           Eliezer S. Yudkowsky
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