Re: Why atheism beats agnosticism (Was: Re: Contacting God)

Lee Daniel Crocker (
Fri, 24 Apr 1998 12:23:07 -0700 (PDT)

> > It is for this reason that I call myself "atheist" even though
> > Tom's more logical definition might not apply. I want there to
> > be no doubt in anyone's mind that even though I may rationally
> > refuse to assert that there is positively no God, I nonetheless
> > want to make it clear that I think those who assert that there
> > is a God have lost my respect, and decisions of any kind made
> > from theist doctrine are bad decisions, not merely different.
> In general I like what you say.
> But just one question? "lost my respect" When is that ?
> at what age. I mean, a lot of us are raised in families
> where religion is part of their daily lives. It took me quite
> some years to get rid of this an find out that there was
> more to life then the principles I was raised with.
> So, because of this, I do respect people with an other
> view on life. But I want it back too. My boss is a "fanatic
> believer" We disagree basically on everything. But we shared
> our visions and just let it be..... He doesn't want to change
> me and I don't "want" to change him. But I keep letting
> him know, that I think he has it all wrong :-)

I certainly don't expect children to know better, but at
whatever point a person becomes responsible for eir own
beliefs, and has free choice, my opinion of em will depend
on those choices. If ey chooses to believe in God, I will
certainly still show em the benevolence due all sentient
beings, and be happy to trade with em (though I may be more
reluctant to extend credit to someone who believes the
world is ending soon:). But "respect" is something given
freely, not "due" anyone, and I would not choose to give
it here.

My own values respect honesty greatly--and science, which
is just methodical honesty--and so I cannot respect one
who willfully chooses to value speculation over evidence.
Such a person is not to be trusted in other matters where
honesty is important.

Lee Daniel Crocker <> <>
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