Re: New X-humanist forums (was/is: Not all >H's areExtropians(was RE: >H S...

From: Michael S. Lorrey (
Date: Fri Jun 23 2000 - 12:15:01 MDT

Harvey Newstrom wrote:
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> I don't know where this discussion came from and only had time to quickly
> >> skim it on this busy morning, but the idea that extropianism is "right wing"
> >> in the sense that that term is usually used in popular discourse is just
> >> plain wrong. The idea that it is anti-Semitic is so absurd that I can't
> >> imagine anyone coming to such a conclusion.
> >
> >It comes from leftist/socialist jews who can't imagine the thought
> >of a jew not
> >being leftist/socialist, so they automatically assume that anyone or
> >any opinion
> >that seems conservative or anti-socialist is automatically anti-semitic.
> Aargh! Just as we're being accused of anti-Semitism, Mike goes and
> blames the Jews!
> Mike, do you have any evidence for this assertion? Are you really
> claiming that the Jews are behind this attack on the Extropians?
> Please post some hard evidence. Otherwise, you are just reinforcing
> these accusations.

Since half my family is jewish, accusing me of anti-semitism is pretty stupid.
LISTEN VERY CLOSELY: I am most pointedly NOT blaming "THE JEWS" for anything.
There are liberals of all ethnic types, including many hypersensitive jewish
people, that think its perfectly acceptable to demonize their opponents in
political discourse by accusing them of being anti-semitic, racist, bigots, what
have you, simply because they oppose liberal ideas. This is a very typical
strategy by modern liberals who wish to force debate participants into the
extremes, in order to eliminate any possibility for middle or common ground, for
compromise or consensus. Once they have successfully alienated their opponents
from rational consideration from the mainstream, they then can say "Look, we are
reasonable, they are being extremists, so everyone ought to look on our
proposals as moderate compromises by reasonable people, so lets all be
reasonable together."

If you still claim that you don't understand my points or think I am still being
anti-semitic, I suppose I could use your strategy against you and say that since
you are purposely trying to alienate a reasonable view, then you are trying, in
fact, to practice the strategy that I illustrated above, and are trying to be
divisive and alienating, so therefore you must be an extremist, while my
position is one of reasonableness..... Now, how does that feel?

Mike Lorrey

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