Re: Gardening is Extropian (was) Are you an extropian? Re: Voluntary simpli...

Date: Wed Jun 07 2000 - 23:40:12 MDT

In a message dated 6/7/2000 9:59:06 PM Pacific Daylight Time, writes:

> Those may be elements of an extropian, but alone they do not make an
> extropian. By definition an extropian is an individual that adheres
> to the extropian principles

I agree, one line posts probably are a waste of time. I shouldn't have
quipped at you, but I thought your "real extropian" post was so silly! Ok,
point taken, I apologize...
But replying to it with another one liner, and then replying again the same
day to the very thread you deemed worthless? Making worse of a mess, I'd say.
I am dropping it after this.

But I did have a point. Separating out "Real" Extropians is saying others are
false. Which is not really the correct outlook. We are commited to this in
different levels and among us there are many differing views about Max's
writings, singularity and transhumanism.

His words are not, nor ever were intended to be doctrine, as far as I know.
Nor is he propunding a rigid adherance to these principles, at least not
anywhere I can find in his literature.
In fact... correct me if i am wrong... I think I remember the principles
being slightly maleable themselves, and undergoing a revision (some while

My knowledge of him is that his is an extremely flexible and fluid mind,
which eschews dogma and creed.

However, if you are right, and we must adhere to these principles, I guess I
am not a REAL extropian, because I don't adhere well to pre-set ideologies. I
am not stuck to anything. I change. I am not glued to this. I am many things,
one of them a futurist and an optimist. I call myself Extropian, and find
great inspiration in it's meaning, and yet I am not using the whole thing,
hook line and sinker. Yet it seems you would not allow me this title.

To me, Bonnie is just fine as she is, and it isn't up to you to correct her,
unless she asks you to. (And now she has (!) and she earned big bonus points
of respect from me for doing so, what a lady! What a sweetheart.)

I took your post to Bonnie offensively, because I really DON'T like people to
tell me, or anyone else, "go back, read the principles - you're not doing
this right" - (or) you're not a real extropian unless you__________(Fill in
the blank).

I have a hard time swallowing that kind of thing. I have heard it again and

I am what I am, I think for myself, and if I choose to call myself an
Extropian, even though I may totally disagree with certain aspects, then so
be it.

Martha S. Muse

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