Re: Weasels vs. transparancy / traffic cameras

From: Michael S. Lorrey (
Date: Tue May 23 2000 - 07:56:43 MDT

Martin Ling wrote:

> On Tue, May 23, 2000 at 08:16:42AM -0400, Michael S. Lorrey wrote:
> > > Formally, I have the right to a good education, but in a tax-free,
> > > service-free system, I may not have the effective freedom to have it.
> > > But by removing some of one of my freedoms (the right to choose how I
> > > spend my money), one of my other rights is protected.
> >
> > You have the right to educate yourself, or to buy an education. You
> > could volunteer to participate in the public school system, but forcing
> > others who choose to send their kids to private school to also pay taxes
> > to support you sending your kids to school is criminal.
> Erm, no. You may happen to think it's *wrong*, but it's not criminal. In
> fact, it's currently criminal for them *not* to.

> Please get your terms right.

Actually, its what is called a 'taking' here. The government cannot confiscate
your property without compensating you for it at fair market value, so
technically they cannot tax you without giving you something of equal value at
market rates in exchange for it. If you don't receive a government funded
education, then the funds they took for that purpose are an unconstitutional

> > You are only gaining your education by stealing from others. At least be
> > honest about it.
> Again, terms.
> It's not stealing if those people have agreed to pay.
> Which, technically, they have. By remaining in the country, and by
> upholding the government and its taxation policies.

So if we don't agree to write a blank check, with no itemized receipt for
services rendered we should get out? I don't think so.

> You've stated before on that thread that you think people should accept
> that they have agreed to the government they have allowed to hold power.

There is nothing in the Constitution, federal or state (at least for NH) that
says anyone is entitled to an education. That the SCOTUS' opinion of
congressional legislation is that they are limited to those areas enumerated by
the Constitution, then they really don't have any say in the matter. Unlike
some, I do beleive we should live by the limitations of the Constitution.

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