Re: No Federal parole

From: Ross A. Finlayson (
Date: Thu Feb 01 2001 - 11:44:58 MST

KPJ wrote:

> It appears as if Ross A. Finlayson <> wrote:
> |
> |If any citizen is given and is made to consume any substance against their
> + will or
> |without their knowledge, then they have been poisoned.
> The term "poisoned" often implies that the person has ingested a poison.
> The definition you used above makes the concept "poisoned" a less meaningful
> one. Or maybe you try to make a political statement on the badness of giving
> a subject a substance without their consent?
> By your definition above, if you administer any kind of medication to an
> unconscious, you either poison that human, or that human lost its citizenship
> with its consciousness, both rather uncommon standpoints.

I think if it's administered under the Hippocratic oath or similar moral and
ethical standards, that's different. Administering emergency medicine to save the
life of another when they would otherwise die against their will is only

If, without regard to their health or knowledge, the citzens have introduced to
them biologically active chemicals then that is a serious problem whether it be
from private, commercial, or government entity, or the water.

> I understand that humans in some jurisdictions temporarily lose their
> rights when convicted for a crime, so in those jurisdictions you would
> find it acceptable to perform that kind of re-programming, then?

It is an ambiguous term. From watching the television show "Cops", I have watched
that television show. Some police use immediate intimidation regularly. I do
some business with sheriff's departments. If a violent drunk has started a fight
and continues, he should be subdued non-chemically and placed in a holding van or
cell. The police can carry tasers to incapacitate anyone, almost regardless of
whether they are on PCP.

Citizens have rights with regards to anyone trying to "reprogram" them.

> Feel free to elaborate on your standpoint, in case you (dis)agree.
> [...]
> |
> |There are many various behavior-modifying drugs and foods. For example,
> + chocolate
> |is known to induce endorphin release.
> Chocolate contains a large mix of various substances, some of which do induce
> endorphin release in some subjects.
> |You mention that the drugs you mention have various effects, as well, various
> + doses
> |have differering effects. I'm not a pharmacologist.
> The effect of almost any substance depends a lot on the dosage administered.

It would then. For example, all most drugs do is increase or decrease various
chemical levels in the bloodstream. Many drugs are largely inert placeboes.


Ross Andrew Finlayson
Finlayson Consulting
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