Re: Surveilance was: Transhuman fascists?

From: Michael S. Lorrey (mike@datamann.com)
Date: Wed Mar 29 2000 - 12:06:29 MST


Zero Powers wrote:

> >From: "Technotranscendence" <neptune@mars.superlink.net>
>
> >[super big snip of lots of great material]
> > > So ubiquitous surveilance promotes despotism; since despotism is nasty,
> >to
> > > the extent that we can prevent ubiquitous surveilance, we should.
> >
> >I agree. This has historically been the case too. Look at any
> >dictatorship
> >that has survived longer than a few weeks, and one typically sees huge
> >secret police organizations and neighbors turning in neighbors a la
> >Orwell's
> >_Nineteen Eighty-Four_. Granted, this is not ubiquitous surveillance, but,
> >it appears, the close one gets to it, the worse life looks.
>
> Exactly! What you're talking about is certainly not ubiquitous
> transparency, in fact it is not even close. As you point out, totalitarian
> governments thrive on *secrecy*. Mutual, power proportional transparency
> effectively brings and *end* to secrecy. Ergo...

According to Soviet archives, at the height of its power, the KGB employed 1 in
5 citizens as informants. They HAD a ubiquitous system. It was used more
effectively by an organization that could collect, filter, and analyse the
information the best (i.e. the KGB), than by the average person.



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