Re: Surveilance was: Transhuman fascists?

From: Zero Powers (
Date: Wed Mar 29 2000 - 11:11:22 MST

>From: "Technotranscendence" <>

>[super big snip of lots of great material]
> > So ubiquitous surveilance promotes despotism; since despotism is nasty,
> > the extent that we can prevent ubiquitous surveilance, we should.
>I agree. This has historically been the case too. Look at any
>that has survived longer than a few weeks, and one typically sees huge
>secret police organizations and neighbors turning in neighbors a la
>_Nineteen Eighty-Four_. Granted, this is not ubiquitous surveillance, but,
>it appears, the close one gets to it, the worse life looks.

Exactly! What you're talking about is certainly not ubiquitous
transparency, in fact it is not even close. As you point out, totalitarian
governments thrive on *secrecy*. Mutual, power proportional transparency
effectively brings and *end* to secrecy. Ergo...


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