At 11:27 AM 03/20/2000 -0800, Joe Dees wrote:
>The test actually works AGAINST the agent-firing hypothesis, as in the
FLIR recreation, people are visible next to all the fired weapons, whereas
in the original FLIR, no contiguous people are visible. Guns do not kill
people unless other people are firing them, and such people being visible
in EVERY instance of the "recreational" gunfire, but in NO instance of the
original glints, the test results do not bode well for the contentions of
the Branch Davidians' attorney that such glints represent gunfire.
IAN: Where does it say shooters were "visible in
EVERY instance"? But actually, they should be for
the reason Mike Lorrey stated. I was sure to check
the high temperature yesterday in Waco for just that
reason, and it was 69 degrees. However, it was in the
mid 80s on April 19, 1993. There's a very big difference
here. A person laying in a sun-drenched field most likely
wearing heavy camouflage gear with air temps in the 80s is
probably not going to be much warmer than the ground, and
their clothing will probably be the same temperature as
the ground. To a FLIR camera, this temperature identity
means that the person on the ground will be invisible.
However, as McNulty's latest video shows, two gunmen
CAN be seen with muzzle flashes occurring exactly in
front of them, and these gunmen just exited a tank,
unlike the gunmen inherently in the other positions.
These gunmen can be seen as black, human-shaped objects
since their clothing is cooler than the ground because
they just exited the air-conditioned tank. The fact
is if you see these flashes of light, they're quite
obviously gun shots, they flash a rates equal to a
machine gun and you can see their pear shape, ie, they
are wide at the muzzle end and taper in the direction
the gun is being fired. As the fire starts, you can also
see embers flashing as they blow in the wind. There is
an unmistakable difference between the gun flashes
and the flashes of embers blowing away from the fire.
You never see any glints of light in the large fields
of building debris, nor do you ever see reflections of
the sun in the pool of water from the many angles of
view as the plane circles above, but you do see the
reflection of the sun in the same pool with a visible-
radiation video taken overhead. I have the whole FLIR
tape (not just the segments shown in McNulty's videos)
and have watched them extensively. I'll bet that there
is a reason they wanted these tests secret. Amazing
how CNN is spinning this toward the favor of the FBI
(of course): http://cnn.com/2000/US/03/20/waco/index.html
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