From: Robbie Lindauer (robblin@thetip.org)
Date: Wed Sep 10 2003 - 22:38:45 MDT
On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, at 08:57 PM, matus wrote:
> Do all transactions require someone to lose and another to win? Are
> all
> exchanges zero sum or are they not?
The only thing of value is personal time. In such exchanges, all are
zero-sum.
> Does the Earth have a limited amount of Wealth?
The earth itself has no wealth. Only the people on it have wealth and
they have it by virtue of their effort.
> Last I checked, we
> werent running out of Food or Energy, since we have more of both now
> than ever in the entire history of humanity.
And we destroy more of it now than any time in human history in order
to keep our "supply and demand" theory going. After all, if what you
said above were true, I wouldn't be paying $8.95 for a BLT in Westwood
"If there were an efficient market".
> Ah, and so many extropian list members thought there were no communists
> on board.
Not a communist - peaceful anarchist (like a libertarian who doesn't
think that governments should prop-up corporations or monetary systems
any more than they should subsidize pork-bellies).
Marx was an anarchist too, BTW. The difference is one of
methodology/praxis. The anarchist desires to immediately dissolve the
government. The Communist wishes to put up a temporary government in
order to advance to a state of anarchy later by that means. The way I
see it, communism as a methodology has demonstrated itself to be
inadequate for achieving the goal which is the simple removal of forced
alienation of our labor.
If you don't think the alienation of your labor is forced - stop paying
taxes and wait.
> NO FORM OF GOVERNMENT that
> is farther from extropian as communist ones have been.
There is no good form of government. Government is essentially an
alienation of rights from the individual.
"The only good government is a dissolved government."
> But alas, I am
> sure you are holding out for that perfect extropian communist
> government
> eh?
Nope. Much too cynical.
> Maybe one of those ingorant peasant farmers will bring about the
> singularity.
Do I have to want the singularity in order to want to live much longer?
> As Gorby pointed out in the late 80's, Singapore generated
> more wealth than the ENTIRE Soviet Union. But it must have been
> because
> it was exploiting the working man, right?
Without any doubt.
Best,
Robbie
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