Re: FWD [forteana] Health Care: USA, Iraq & Canada

From: Robbie Lindauer (robblin@thetip.org)
Date: Wed Sep 10 2003 - 17:16:12 MDT

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    On Wednesday, September 10, 2003, at 06:01 PM, Rafal Smigrodzki wrote:

    > ### Who's lying?

    Does Nike operate sweatshops? Did they lie about it? Is that OKAY
    according to you?

    >> Mechanism, think physical "follow the path of resources." Your
    >> historical precedence is ridiculous. Laughable, really. How do THEY
    >> show that it happens?
    >
    > ### (context elided - show how capital investment increases incomes)
    >
    > Oh, by simple calculations, by experiments, by observations of
    > markets. The
    > whole of economics, ever since Adam Smith, describes the effects of
    > supply
    > and demand on the price and availability of goods and services. Even
    > Keynesians admit such basics. Are you aware of any alternative economic
    > theory, which would deny the right of supply and demand?

    So Keynes and Smith say so, is your current position. Do you go along
    with EVERYTHING they said?

    >> You mean keeping them in their mud huts? What USUALLY happens is the
    >> peasants revolt and are put-down occasionally by their
    >> capitalist-funded leaders. At least, this is how it works in Burma.
    >
    > ### More people crawled out of the mud in the last century than in all
    > the
    > centuries before. That's how it worked in the US, in Poland, in
    > Vietnam, and
    > will work in Burma.

    There are MORE PEOPLE than in the last century. Percentages matter.

    >> As a matter of fact, poverty is up worldwide.
    >
    > ### If you choose your source of facts appropriately, you will find
    > that
    > Elvis lives, and the Earth is flat. For economic data try OECD, WHO,
    > UN, US
    > Dept of Commerce.

    Let's see your legitimate "poverty is in decline" source.

    > ### Yes, the percentage of poor changed - from 100% about 8 000 years
    > ago,
    > to today's less than 20%.

    According to the Bible, Abraham had 200 tents and thousands of
    servants. That's not 100%.

    Poverty is NOT less than 20% - even in the United States.

    > But now I see why you need to laugh at the least provocation - your
    > have to
    > dispel the darkness, your view of the world is so gloomy, evil and
    > poverty
    > rising everywhere, rapacious capitalists raping the planet, no hope
    > for the
    > future, and those who have it, must be suckers.
    >
    > Sad, sad.

    Truly sad indeed.

    Hope for future is an empirical question. I think my life will be very
    pleasant. Do I think that the rest of the world will have as pleasant
    a life as mine, no.

    I like to call it cold realism. You should try it.

    >> How do you think someone like you could accumulate the effective labor
    >> of lots of other people without actually performing that labor
    >> yourself?
    >
    > ### I have no need to accumulate the labor of other people. I will
    > make a
    > million $ on my own, and then another, and another - with cryonics and
    > life
    > extension, could go on for a long time.

    How will you do this? Don't say Amway.

    > ### You know I am a staunch opponent of coercion. I will benefit only
    > from
    > people working for their own gain, freely, such as the Nike workers in
    > wherever they are.

    So are you just ignorant of the political repression in Burma that
    causes them to be subject to abject poverty and willing to take shitty
    jobs?

    R



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